Mgeverest

Your submission at Articles for creation: Haiti Victory and Duke of York Collision (November 25)

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Eagleash (talk) 19:30, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Mgeverest! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Eagleash (talk) 19:30, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much for responding so quickly. Can you clarify something for me? Is the primary problem that the source COURTLISTENER.COM is not in the public domain? If I can cite a source for the material attributed to COURTLISTENER that is in the public domain, would that make the article acceptable, or are there other major issues I need to address? Mgeverest (talk) 19:41, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

The issue is that Wikipedia cannot accept content from elsewhere; mainly for copyright and attribution issues; and Wikipedia has a very strong policy on this – see WP:C for more information. If courtlistener is an independent and reliable source (I don't know anything about the site personally) then it could be used to source the material which should be written in 'own words' and referenced accordingly. As I understand it, court documents aren't typically considered admissible as sourcing. The 'offending' text should be WP:REVDEL'd after re-writing.

For future reference, to reach out to another editor (other than at their own talk age) use the WP:PING method. A message needs to be added in one 'go' and must be signed for it to work. Eagleash (talk) 16:29, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

So, just to be clear, the actual decision of the court is in the public domain, and may be cited without copyright concerns. Websites such as Courtlistener.com, or Westlaw, or Lexis will often add their own summaries or other content, and that is copyrighted. As long as you cite to the actual court decision, which is British Transport Commission v. United States 230 F.2d 139 (4th Cir. 1956), you may use the decision text of the actual court. However, since a court decision must be issued whenever litigants bring a case, it is not generally proof of notability. Notability will be best shown with other 3rd party sources such as newspaper accounts. Additionally, the allegations the parties make are often repeated in the decision, but courts often decide cases without establishing each and every allegation made in the filings so they should be used with some caution. This is an interesting article, I hope you complete it. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 21:49, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:11, 27 October 2023 (UTC)