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Mulga Bill

• Thanks for your suggestion. Nominated at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on September 29. Hook is

• ...that the poem Mulga Bill's Bicycle was inspired by an outback worker Banjo Paterson knew who had bought his bicycle as a result of a drought when there was no feed for horses?

any improvements to the hook welcomed :-) Alternative pictures also welcome! --Matilda ^talk 22:36, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

• A good choice of hook. An alternative wording (and image) to think about, although I am quite happy with yours.

• ...that Australian bush poet Banjo Paterson's ballad Mulga Bill's Bicycle was inspired by an outback worker who purchased a bicycle when drought prevented him feeding his horses?

176 characters with spaces, 150 without. Your thoughts? -- Mattinbgn\^talk 22:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I think offer up the alternative but I wouldn't wikilink Australia - didn't know there was an article about bush poets (so I just learnt something :-) ) - wording may be a little less cumbersome in the form

• ... that the ballad Mulga Bill's Bicycle by Australian bush poet Banjo Paterson was inspired by an outback worker who purchased a bicycle when drought prevented him feeding his horses?

plus the advantage that the article is at the beginning of the hook - wikilink safety bicycle as another bit of the hook and see whether it helps that article ;-)

... chars 180 with spaces and 152 without. --Matilda ^talk 22:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

• Much better, I think. I will offer it up as an alternate hook at DYK. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 23:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

repalced the original - this is much better! --Matilda ^talk 23:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Penny Sackett

I wasn't sure which format to go with, but decided as it was a birth date and she was born in the United States that the birthdate would follow U.S. formatting. I personally prefer the date-first format, and I wouldn't care a bit if you or someone else changed it back to that. --Canley (talk) 01:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

single purpose editor

thanks for the comment, what's the template for tagging such comments? I've seen it before. Michellecrisp (talk) 02:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Doug Ring

Thanks for the kind remarks. He looked a bit forlorn, stuck there on 10k when all the other Invincibles were powering ahead. I've added more this evening (UK time), but I haven't touched the intro or the last sections on his post-cricket career or his "style". In fact, I've left the structure pretty much as I found it, and don't think it's ideal. So anything you care to add or alter would be very welcome. But at least there's something there to work on now. Johnlp (talk) 22:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Booligal and horse troughs

I really like the new article on the poem. I was pleased to see your pic got a place on it. I was looking for an old photo of what I rememember to be drays, perhaps with bales of wool, being bogged on the road from Hay to Booligal that I had seen somewhere (maybe in a pub) which was captioned with an allusion ot the poem. Haven't found it bit idid find this picture from the Sate Library of NSW: 1924 Ford model T truck with 5000 gallon water tank to be erected on stumps at left - Booligal, NSW - details at [1] - not really of any use but an interesting picture. It jhas a mate [2] though the truck has become 3 years younger?

Anyway I think you should nominate that article also for DYK! - Did you know that according to Banjo Paterson's poem Hay and Hell and Booligal, Booligal is regarded as being worse than Hell? + your nice pic :)

(ec) Thanks Matilda for the kind words and the link to the image. I think a period shot is much better than my more current photograph as an illustration for the article. There is also this image, not a photograph but evocative of the area and the period. Are there different copyright restrictions on works such as these than on photographs. Given it is dated 1889 it is surely PD by now? I am storing links for the Bills article and may have a bash at a stub this afternoon/evening. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 04:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

definitely {{PD-Australia}} - I like it --Matilda ^talk 05:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Added to T:TDYK, thanks for the hook -- Mattinbgn\^talk 10:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I am looking forward to the article on the horse troughs! Glad you are right back into it - there is so much interesting stuff out there to be written about and explained. Poor souls like Longhair need to know what the significance is of their photography subjects! I don't think I have many horse troughs (yet).--Matilda ^talk 04:17, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey hey, we had cars when I was a kid! I tend to notice service stations over horse troughs :) -- Longhair\^talk 04:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of Hey, or rather, Hay, you're getting closer to home mate. That beer and stopover is still on offer. -- Longhair\^talk 04:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I was planning a trip to Broken Hill via Mildura for this week, unfortunately RL intervened. I still have plans to get out your way and share a quiet ale! -- Mattinbgn\^talk 04:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Looking forward to it. Quiet is the word. There's no neighbours out here for miles (if you look past the snakes). -- Longhair\^talk 04:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The big mosquitoes frighten some, You'll lie awake to hear 'em hum; And snakes about the township crawl ... :) -- Mattinbgn\^talk 05:02, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Showing my age but in reply to Longhair's comment - I don't actually remember horse troughs in use :) - when I was a child the service station pumps had little sheeep sitting on top of them and the petrol was super [3] or [4] or [5] - not that I recall going to either of these petrol stations. Here is a picture from 1900 of the Road on One Tree Plain - Between Hay and Booligal - even the snakes and mosquitoes have found better places to be ;) - doesn't seem to have changed much. When we were visiting Hay once my husband rode his bicycle out towards Booligal and back again - saw some emus and a lot of flatness!--Matilda ^talk 05:17, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm old enough to remember the Golden Fleece (along with driveway service too mind you :-). -- Longhair\^talk 05:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

So am I, the one at Seymour before the Hume bypass was a favourite, but I wasn't driving then barely walking, in fact ... -- Mattinbgn\^talk 05:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I was looking for the connection Paterson had with Booligal - if any. This family history piece is not bad for some local history of Booligal [6] and claims a connection with Clancy of the "Overflow" and that Paterson used to visit "Ulonga" station near Booligal. --Matilda ^talk 05:53, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

apparently Ulonga was owned by a Tom Paterson [7] - don't know what the connction is with Banjo --Matilda ^talk 06:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Added a great quote from your first link about the town's reaction to its immortalisation (Not happy indeed) -- Mattinbgn\^talk 06:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

• The Patterson who owned Ulonga would not appear to be a relation of Banjo Paterson per http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A110698b.htm?hilite=ulonga --Matilda ^talk 21:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

• Not a relation, but possibly still a visitor. I'm not sure that the "Clancy" source allows us to confirm that though. A trip to the library to find a biography of Paterson may be in order. I have been hunting on the web for an Australian dictionary of catch phrases etc. Google books gives only (frustrating) snippets, but it appears that the phrase "Hay, Hell and Booligal" may have been in use before Paterson. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 21:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
• Oh, Mary Gilmore and A. D. Hope both used the phrase in their own works (after Paterson of course). I need to find a collection of their works to pin down the poems in question (google book snippets only!) -- Mattinbgn\^talk 21:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree may have been a visitor and the picture you have added which predates the poem seems to indicate that Paterson was not the first to think those sort of thoughts about Booligal - it is a really good illustration. --Matilda ^talk 21:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The image I was thinking of was something like this one from the Museum of Victoria but this doesn't give a place and has too many trees. --Matilda ^talk 22:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

A great photo and certainly looks like black-soil plains but you are right; there are no trees like that on the One Tree plain! (Even the one tree was destroyed in a storm in 1900) -- Mattinbgn\^talk 22:53, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it might have been this one at Willandra Creek  ! I don't think we have an article on the place other than Willandra National Park and Willandra Lakes Region - apparently approx 162 km from Booligal [8] so we can't really use it :( When you are feeling things are not going right - just imagine! --Matilda ^talk 23:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

same incident [9] [10] and [11] - those pictured in the Museum of Victoria picture had it easy I think. --Matilda ^talk 23:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

• unindent Browsing the cat on the State Library of NSW under the category road accidents - I noted the final indignity to being bogged near Wentworth The Davenports were bogged for two days near Wentworth. Gladys wrote a note to say who they were in case they died. After two days some people pulled them out. They were unable to have an alcoholic drink at the town as they had not been there for 24 hours. Some interesting pictures could be used to liven up our articles on highways and roads. --Matilda ^talk 23:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Another "black soil road" delayed a couple of days near Walgett - I will leave you in peace now. regards Matilda ^talk 23:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I haven't been on the Mossgiel-Ivanhoe road. It would be interesting to see if it much better. Certainly the Lachlan Valley Way between Booligal and Hillston is a dry weather only road. Great pictures !-- Mattinbgn\^talk 23:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Erroreraser

Why did Erroreraser abuse my user page? It's the first edit he has ever done/ Weird... (Reply here i if you know). JRG (talk) 06:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea, I suspect he/she is a sock of someone who had some sort of disagreement with you in the past. Can't pin it down more than that and since they have disappeared I doubt it is anything to worry about. I am keeping an eye out. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 06:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Tilpa DYK

FYI I moved the Tilpa DYK nomination to 2 October as the history shows that as the creation date (23.14). The "shortest heritage trail" also sounded interesting - do you know what heritage it records? Euryalus (talk) 06:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

It was started on 3 October AEST I promise! :-) I am not sure what heritage it records, but at a guess it is probably a sign detailing the buildings that are/were on those sites. While I haven't been either Tilpa or Wilcannia, Wilcannia has quite a heritage trail and I suspect "shortest heriatge trail" is dry humour about the fact that Wilcannia has many signs along its heritage trail and Tilpa gets a mere two. Of course, that is pure supposition. Writing the article has given me the desire to take a trip up the Darling from Wentworth to Pooncarie, Menindee, Wilcannia, Tilpa, Louth and through to Bourke. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 06:59, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you on graves. "The only cemetery with no graves" sounds like it has occupants but the bodies are somewhere other than in the ground. The road trip sounds a great idea - I'd love to do a similar one along the coastline (some of us are ocean people) - take your camera as we need some better images for almost every far west NSW article. The Victorians put NSW to shame in this regard, especially whoever went to Swifts Creek and took all those featured images of wildlife. Euryalus (talk) 21:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Australian shopping mall madness.....

Can we combine all these articles into one master AfD. We all are making the same discussion over and over. Lets do it once and get them all out. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to if you wish. I didn't combine them at the time because I did not want to be seen to pushing through a giant massed nom. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 11:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Penny Sackett

On 5 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Penny Sackett, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

– RyanCross (talk) 23:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Tilpa, New South Wales

On 8 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tilpa, New South Wales, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Hay and Hell and Booligal

On 9 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hay and Hell and Booligal, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 02:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Champion effort

		The Australian Barnstar of National Merit
		Champion effort Matt - 3 DYK's on Australian topics in 5 days and all very interesting additions.--VS talk 03:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
		this WikiAward was given to Mattinbgn by --VS talk on 03:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion

Hey mate, I've already been through this speedy deletion business with some guy yesterday, its on the discussion page of the Parramatta Citadel Band article. (Parradudes (talk))

Rokewood, Victoria

Thanks for your quick expansion of this article. I'm having troubles today using the mapping tools at Travelmate, which I usually rely upon for distances. Cheers. -- Longhair\^talk 01:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

NQR ?

Is NQR Nuclear quadrupole resonance? Maybe you mean Not Quite Right. Perhaps when the Devon Swanpool gets an article, we can loose the geishas. Best Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 18:33, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I've done a stub for Swanpool, Devon. Do you know the correct way to move the present article at Swanpool to Swanpool, Cornwall and use "Swanpool" as a geographical DAB page, please? Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 19:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Quiet days

Hmm I hope to be on the nullarbor well away from anything that resembles the internet (i know a female comedian - yes that is her trade and its not my wife.._ who in a standup routine talks about taking her internet for a walk ) when the really quiet days come up soon :( SatuSuro 01:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Enjoy your trip. I will be heading up to QLD in Nov to visti old friends, watch the cricket and test out my new toy. I haven't looked as forward to anything in years. Just me and the road for a bit. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 02:50, 16 October 2008 (UTC) Good to hear- enjoy your trip - excellent - similarly I have a new pentax that i wanna exercise (sic) on the nullarbor  :) SatuSuro 03:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Id be interested in your opinion on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Battle_Team to me it looks like a no N claim at all - how would you react to that one? I tried a repeat but one of the famous bradbury's (more than one around) came and reverted it - I still think its no goer - cheers SatuSuro 02:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Possibly a merge and redirect to Nova 93.7, cutting out all the uncited trivia would be suitable. I would think that would be reasonably uncotroversial. Most radio shows would struggle to establish independent notability -- Mattinbgn\^talk 02:50, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that - had a problem with a tassie variety like this sometime back, I realise what is needed - your advice is appreciated SatuSuro 03:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Archives of Age and SMH

IIRC, did you have archive access for Age and SMH? I remember you getting it for McCool somewhere. I was looking for extra info on Bob Windle per a FAC complaint. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model) 03:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't have a lot of luck but there was some offers to help. See Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 30#SMH Archives. I ended up going into the SLV and found what I was looking for on the microfiche. Someone with Factiva access may be able to help ( perhaps a university student or researcher). Uni libraries may have an online searchable database for the Age and SMH. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 04:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

We have at least one WA ed who edits from a point of privilege (ie factiva) if need be - leave a note at my talk and ill direct the item if need be - cheers SatuSuro 04:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

It seems that from that chat the archive only goes back 20 years, which would not be old enough for Windle. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model) 04:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Using User:Costhiraius' photos

Thanks for putting my photos onto the articles Vaughan, Victoria and Maribyrnong river, you can put the rest onto articles if you want to.

Costhiraius

Thanks for that, they improve the articles immensely. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 08:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Australian infoboxes

Hey, thanks for the help on my talk page. I added the coordinates to the infoboxes but I couldn't get the map locator thing working. The map = field doesn't seem to do anything for me, is there some other parameter that it's dependent on or something? I notice the image in the map parameter in the Brisbane infobox isn't showing up either (the map that's showing up is hard-coded into the template). The image from the deleted template was Image:SydLGAs.png, do you think you could help me figure out how to get this working? Thanks again, delldot ∇. 06:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Coords

Just in case you don't know:

• Geoscience Australia
• Geographical Names Register (GNR) of NSW

--Grahame (talk) 01:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Benedict's apology

Your edit was a bit heavy handed because it removed reference to the Pope's visit. The occasion of his apology was of great historic significance. It was a first, and the fact that it took place at St Mary's is now part of the History of the building itself.

Creative thing is what's required, not simply chopping out a significant fact. I reinstated the material under "history" and fixed the sentence that you left without a fullstop, by mentioning the historic visit of Benedict. Amandajm (talk) 07:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

There is an entire article on the topic - Catholic sex abuse cases. Explain to me why the topic needs discussion in an article about a Cathedral. Wrong article, wrong place. -- Mattinbgn\talk 09:58, 22 October 2008

I have already given the explanation.

• The topic of Catholic sex abuse cases isn't "discussed" in the article. It is merely stated, as relevant to Benedict's historic apology.
• The fact that the historic apology took place at St Mary's Cathedral is significant in the history of St Mary's Cathedral. More historic events could also be added, by someone who knows the history of Roman Catholicism in Australia.
• The fact that there is a whole article on the subject does not preclude mention of any fact from any other article to which it is relevant. In this case, a link needs to be made to the relevant aricle, if it hasn't been done already.

Amandajm (talk) 05:57, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I've already told you that I have now put it under the heading of "History". I agree entirely that it was out of place in the lead. But I also think that it was inappropriate of you to remove all mention of the Pope's recent visit from the lead, as well as the apology. The Pope's visit is uppermost in the minds of Sydney's RC Community, at the minute. And I don't think it needs to go under the George Pell article just because he was present. What needs to be in Pell's article is his personal response to the problem that has concerned so many people. Amandajm (talk) 09:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

With regards to the article about St Mary's Cathedral being an article about "a building", articles about cathedrals specifically, are never simply articles about "a building". Its a bit like writing about the Houses of Parliament. The building serves a particular round of activities, and has a social and historical significance that goes far beyond the stones and mortar. So the article about St Mary's includes info on the choirs, and could be considerably expanded in other such directions. Amandajm (talk) 09:40, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Darling Downs Category & Sub cats

OK - think I got most of the relevant articles tagged - for now! If you have any disagreements, feel free to prune away! I noticed that a large number of the towns and many other tagged articles have NO validating external references at all! I didn't waste time with about 100 tag-edits - thought I would just mention it to you as something that needs to be done eventually, as you seem to be working in a relevant area - sooner or later (I suppose) someone is going to notice the lack of references... (smile!). FoolesTroupe (talk) 15:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I was pleased to see some recent work from both of you on Queensland geography articles. I noticed that Category:Towns in the Darling Downs may be better named Category:Towns on the Darling Downs as in Mareeba is a town on the Atherton Tablelands. Not sure where a definite answer might be but I'm sure Mattinbgn knows what the WPAus precedent is. - Shiftchange (talk) 00:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks for the Barnstar Mattinbgh! It's fantastic to have acknowledgement for my efforts and I can't tell you how much it means to me. MvjsTalking 08:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

CfD

Hi Matt. Ever since I first joined WP, I've despaired at the stuff you read on this page. It's much worse than AfD. There are people using CfD who will try to interpret rules or policies in any way they can to obstruct a common sense proposal. I think the key to getting the Victoria rename through is to emphasise that it means a unique first-class team, not a place. And as for it being a queen.... (screams). Good luck. BlackJack | ^{talk page} 14:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

No need to apologise. You sound just like me a couple of years ago, especially after I discovered that CfD had been infiltrated by a troll whose mission in life was to cause as much category disruption as possible. I think he was eventually banned but I do wonder about the motives and attitudes of some of the regulars who are still there. BlackJack | ^{talk page} 21:54, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Victoria team name

Matt, I think we may have a weakness in our argument due to the article about the team being called Victoria Bushrangers, while Victoria cricket team is a redirect to that. I confess I'm not altogether clear about the exact corporate status of, or naming convention applicable to, state "clubs" in Australia and I wonder if you can clarify. Before the Bushrangers brand was adopted, was the club called something like Victoria State Cricket Club? If so, then I think this should be the name of the article and Bushrangers should be redirected to it.

Trying to equate this to the English situation, Sussex existed as a county team for well over a century before the county club was founded and now the Sussex club runs a limited overs team called Sussex Sharks. So we have Sussex county cricket teams to 1839 and Sussex County Cricket Club since 1839, but we only have Sussex Sharks as a redirect. The same formula has been applied to all the other English clubs including a couple like Berkshire that are no longer first-class, although some like Durham have no requirement for a pre-club Durham county cricket teams variation.

Is there a valid way to replicate this arrangement across all the state teams in Australia? I'm afraid that otherwise there will be an attempt to have the category renamed as category:Victoria Bushrangers cricketers and that will be historically incorrect as you have already written. Regards. BlackJack | ^{talk page} 10:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Liked

Your tongue in cheek comment at national noticeboard - it is clear the universal category application is complete and utter crap and mindless - the sooner it is disbanded and sent home (wherever that may be) without any runs or wickets the better - i would love to see a language usage comparison page for all english speaking countries - and the possible complete inversions between the various locations - there must be words that are used in one sense in one country that is opposite to others - to show the farce that it is SatuSuro 03:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

There seems to be a real issue about what I might term the "global disambiguation policy" that was implemented in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 September 5#Victoria (Australia) and is now being pursued again in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Victoria (Australia) cricketers. I cannot help but notice how the same names crop up every time there is this sort of controversy: Vegaswikian, Occuli, Good Ol’factory and Peterkingiron. Is there any way that an issue can be raised with a suggested resolution that disambiguation questions must be settled on individual articles only and not applied globally? There is no point in going to the CfD talkpage because guess which users are to be found there? BlackJack | ^{talk page} 05:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I am just about to go off and have a hit of squash so I can't respond in full. I will say we need to be clear about what we are claiming when discussing individual editors. The main reason the same names come up again and again is because they are the editors who have chosen to take an interest in CfD. If we are honest, we would admit that most of us have little interest in CfD except when it is the categories we maintain who are put through the CfD "process". The participants at CfD are (apart from the hostile response to scrutiny of their actions) acting in good faith and according to what they think is best for the encyclopedia. The problem is not any sort of conspiracy but simply that their vision is so blinkered and this leads to terrible, woeful, hopeless outcomes at CfD. Note that I am not saying that these editors don't have an agenda—they do—but it is not a conspiracy just groupthink. Indeed the agenda has turned CfD from a venue for discussing category names into a pseudo-project designed to rationalise category names encyclopedia-wide. This of course means that the messy peculiarities of the world are to be steamrolled into the grand overall vision and damn the consequences. In terms of raising the wider issue, I'm not sure how many windmills I want to start tilting at. You certainly won't make any headway with such a suggestion at CfD. We could be controversial and list WP:CfD at Miscellany for deletion :-) I enjoy writing encyclopedia articles and adding appropriate images to them. Getting involved in policy discussions is my little way of paying the project back for the enjoyment it gives me; unlike some I don't enjoy it for its own sake. CfD needs reforming root-and-branch but I am not sure I want to take on the task other than fighting the little battles where I can. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 06:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

So well put senor don, pass another horse for me sancho - that windmill over there needs another tilt SatuSuro 14:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Eight Hotels Australia

Nope, just declining the speedy, as they're a notable group. Amongst other things, their Canberra property is the centrepiece of a major development here, which probably deserves an article in its own right. Rebecca (talk) 00:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

chester hill school

Many thanks for your comment, you understand exactly what I'm getting at, simply inserting a news report found on google (and not reported elsewhere) doesn't necessarily add to the strength of the article. Nor do I think molotov cocktails mean a school is more notable. Thanks for your understanding! Michellecrisp (talk) 06:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Totally agreed! you will note now how year 12 high achievers is creeping into the article. again something found from a google search. In any deletion discussion, I look for widespread coverage in mainstream media (or academic references). Michellecrisp (talk) 12:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Gulargambone, New South Wales

Hi, I have removed your addition again. Please see WP:RECENT for some guidance about adding every incident that happens in a place into an article. Secondly, the reference does not support the addition. Yes, there was a robbery but this, "Historically in the last several years Gulargambone has had a crime problem related to theft and break-ins" is unsupported opinion and against Wikipedia's policies on verification and neutral point of view. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 02:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd have to disagree, historically Gulargambone does have a crime problem. Regardless of the example, the long term historical trend is so. I don't think it's in the spirit or rules of Wikipedia to hide over such an important aspect of the town.

Also WP:NOT#NEWS applies here too. This statement "Most notable example of this was when a 83 year old man was robbed at knife point on the night of Tuesday, 07 Oct 2008 " is a blatant violation of that policy. We don't report every crime on Wikipedia. Michellecrisp (talk) 03:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I understand that it may not portray Gulargambone in a good light, so have removed it, but you appeared to have re-added it again?

I've copied this discusson to Talk:Gulargambone, New South Wales to ensure a wider set of editors are aware of the issue. Euryalus (talk) 03:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Books by Ashley Mallett

Have you ever used them? How reliable do you think they are? YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 08:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

No I haven't although I almost bought the Victor Trumper book at a second hand shop a few years ago. Wish I did now. He is a journalist not a historian but I think his general stuff would be reasonably reliable. The Chappelli and Walters books may be a little POV though, more reminiscing mode perhaps. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 08:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Reverse angle parking

While staying in cbd Sydney last january I couldnt believe it when i saw a young guy using his mothers car near central railway had actually got fined for parking in the wrong direction - sigh - so much for nsw :) SatuSuro 10:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Griffith, New South Wales

I've noticed that you've been to Griffith. ;) Wondering if you've taken a photo of the plane monument which is located near Woolworths/BigW?. Also I think the new police station is located near the Railway station (Street behind McDonalds I think). Bidgee (talk) 23:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes I have. It's not a great one, every time I get to Griffith I have poor light. With guests up for the races here on the weekend I may not get an opportunity to upload it in the next day or two. I did not get the new Police Station; Griffith is a difficult place to find things at times—a bit like Canberra. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 23:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)