Marthfox6040

October 2021

Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to J. Z. Knight—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 12:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate the concern but I would suggest some independent research into the subject of the article. Their conduct and involvement with various grifts (eg. Fraudulent out of USA market 'investments') convincing her followers to drink a mixture of dead sea water and (the caustic chemical) lye; to the point where they were experiencing hair loss.

The article as presented gives J.Z. Knight the appearance of legitimacy to the point where due to her wikipedia article she's listed as an "American Teacher" in Google searches. This is unacceptable and not a representation of the available facts. Marthfox6040 (talk) 13:32, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Definitions of grifter: noun; a person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud

By definition this is an objectively accurate description for someone (J.Z. Knight) who's preyed upon peoples beliefs trust, claiming (falsely) to be able to turn an unrealistic profit on any money invested with them. Marthfox6040 (talk) 13:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at J. Z. Knight. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. -- Fyrael (talk) 16:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Not constructive

I appreciate the concern but I would suggest some independent research into the subject of the article. Their conduct and involvement with various grifts (eg. Fraudulent out of USA market 'investments') convincing her followers to drink a mixture of dead sea water and (the caustic chemical) lye; to the point where they were experiencing hair loss.

The article as presented gives J.Z. Knight the appearance of legitimacy to the point where due to her wikipedia article she's listed as an "American Teacher" in Google searches. This is unacceptable and not a representation of the available facts. Marthfox6040 (talk) 13:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

I think you need to give a read to Wikipedia:No original research, unless I'm misunderstanding your meaning of "independent research". -- Fyrael (talk) 16:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Final warning

Hi Marthfox6040. To add to the above, no matter how sincerely you hold a view, you cannot just add it to Wikipedia articles as if it was universally accepted fact. Wikipedia content is based on reliable secondary sources, not the individual opinions of editors. This is particularly important in biographies of living people where unsourced additions may stray into libel.

If you have reliable sources for the claim that this person has committed fraud or whatever it is you're suggesting, then you must include those as references when making your edit. If you cannot do so your work will keep being reverted and your account will be blocked from contributing to this site.

Happy to discuss further either here or at my own talkpage. But please also accept this as a final warning not to add unsourced material to biographical articles. -- Euryalus (talk) 01:58, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

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