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RE your recent addition to the Jimi Hendrix article; I always like to include a location when citing to a DVD. Do you know the location of the event? Thanks. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 16:36, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by "location" for the DVD.Learner001 (talk) 19:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, like event occurs at 45 minutes and 36 seconds, for example. We really shouldn't cite to a book without including a page number or a DVD without including a location. Otherwise, its a really nice addition, but a FA needs tighter sourcing. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 19:50, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, when we quote someone, we need to include an in-line attribution as well as a cite. E.g., "According to John Doe, so who exactly made the comment that you quoted? GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:02, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

FYI, pending event location and speaker identification, I've removed your recent addition. If you can provide a location and attribute the speaker, we will discuss adding the quote back, though on reflection, it seems more like a many-years-after-the-fact type of analysis that runs the risk of sounding like revisionist puffery; Hendrix burned the guitar as a PR gimmick, not a political statement. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:16, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

It seems the larger issue is that you don't see Hendrix as a part of the counterculture. From a political standpoint, I concur entirely, but you must consider the fact that he was seen - then and now - as highly significant to 1960s youth culture. So we're talking about the era generally as well the many components of the era, some of which Hendrix was intergral to, and some of which he was not. As to the cite: please watch the Youtube version of the documentary, which was produced by Oregon Public TV, accepted, and nationally broadcast by PBS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUc2eLe-ruI. Hendrix at Monterey starts about 14:00 in. The statement is made by the narrator, reading a script written by the production team. As to "puffery" :), perhaps, but all latter-day history runs a risk of that, whether speaking to music, or the larger culture within which the music flourished. If you'd like additional sources as to JH and the counterculture, I can load you up on them, ad nauseum. My intent is simply to note (in passing, essentially) Jimi's significance to his larger era, and not bog down the article with material that might detract from his musical accomplishments, which I believe you rightfully seek to keep in focus. Please note the location of the quote within cite as you see fit and restore the edit, if possible. Best wishes on FA! The article is worthy. Please let me know if there's anything on your to-do list I might be able to assist on!Learner001 (talk) 17:47, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't entirely disagree regarding Hendrix and the counter-culture, but as I said, its all after-the-fact hindsight stuff. Nobody, that I know of, at the time thought Hendrix's guitar burning was a political statement, and including the quote there as it was implies that people at the time made this connection; I seriously doubt that they did. Also, Hendrix and others close to him have repeatedly stated that this type of stuff was done for attention and PR, not to make political statements. That's essentially the core of what concerns me, that it attempts to give a new meaning to an old stunt. Perhaps, much of what Hendrix stood for was counter-culture oriented, but certainly not the guitar destruction, which was really just attempts to outdo the Who.

Also, generally speaking, the narrator of a film is not in itself a notable speaker. If the speaker were a biographer, musicologist, or critic, it might hold some weight, but as it is the quote is little more than a bit of voice-over; its not really culled from a serious critical analysis. Did someone notable make the statement, or is it an unidentified comment made by the writers of the doc? When we quote someone we must always attribute the quote in-line, and it would be awkward to state that an unknown narrator of a documentary made the comment, which really should be attributed to the person who wrote the passage, not the person who did the voice-over. Thanks for the kind and encouraging words. BTW. Cheers! GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:11, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Got it. Look, this is not that important, but the source is good, and if you're interested in the truth, please don't pre-judge based on your own PR or opinion, even though I tend to agree with your take. I understand your concerns for FA, so I'll let it go in deference to that for now. So, in the meantime, I won't edit as to the cc subject, but instead I'll send some thoroughly cited prose for a small section for later consideration. I suggest that the article give a bit more attention to Jimi's personality, the '60s mindset which he interacted with, and era context generally. Perhaps these elements need to be more fully developed in this, a bio article. Jimi was a dynamic and complex human being living in an important, fast-paced era. He was not simply an awesome guitar player. My two bits. Happy NY & Cheers as well!Learner001 (talk) 19:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

For thought: Not sure if this is worthy of discussion in the article, but the night after he was released on bail following the Canada bust, he spoke on stage before they went into Machine Gun: (paraphrasing the difficult-to-transcribe words) "I'd like to dedicate this one...to all the soldiers fighting in Chicago, Milwaukee, and New York. And the soldiers fighting in Vietnam."

I consider this to perhaps be gratuitous and concur with you that although he was being pulled to join in many leftist causes, his heart was never really in it. He wanted to create music, first and foremost. You could also make the case that, like many, JH was ultimately as much a victim of the era as he was a participant.Learner001 (talk) 17:48, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, that comment made during the BoG shows, his participation in an anti-Vietnam festival, and his participation in a Black Panther benefit represent the sum total of his political involvement. You could argue that some of his lyrics also go there, and he certainly mentioned the hippy movement during interviews, but there is not much outside WP:SYNTH and/or WP:OR. That's not to say that Jimi was strictly apolitical, but in general it does not strike me as especially notable to his bio (the reliable sources tend to agree with that assertion). Arthur Allen tells a story whereby Jimi bought a Black Panther paper in an effort to impress he and his brother Albert, but it was obvious that Jimi wasn't really interested in getting too involved. I think that, had he lived another year, this would have changed and he would have become more vocal, but alas it was not to be. Happy New Year! GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:03, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. Countless musicians during the era dabbled in politics, and lyrics in and of themselves may or may not be significant, unless you're a protest singer (per se') ala (early) Dylan, who was a musical inspiration for JH, but probably not much of a political mentor, as it were. The whole Black Panther thing for J seems to have a bit (or more) of coercion written on it. So, perhaps your comment above is the crux of an important graph or two. Along the lines of references to the "fact" that when J became a smash in the US, morons in the audience wanted to see him come unglued and burn/destroy his equipment. This goes back to the point that misperception can play as an important role in so-called history as can the truth, viz. your "gimmick" note concerning Monterey, trying to top the Who after he asked not to follow them...Best wishes for '14Learner001 (talk) 18:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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My apologies for not getting back to you in a few days. My Wikipedia hours have been spent on a seemingly endless search and restroy mission after I watched the film '12 years a slave', started to edit and connect the slave articles through the templates, got bogged down in adding See also entries for the slave lists, got put into chains myself via editing discoveries which just kept coming and chaining, and I must have done 1,000 edits on the slave pages, most of those in an effort to link everything to everyone at the same time. Thus my attention on the '60s has lingered in the 1860s. On the counter-culture page, I'd say the more detail the better, as the topic is quite important and massive. I'll be happy to attempt to help with it at some points, and will explain my edits in the summary boxes, and will only edit things I know or format stuff. I like the timeline, and had an idea to separate it a bit in sections so the pre-1960 set-up section is marked as such. Much of that will have to wait until I get my heads both out of the clouds and out of the 1860s. And it's good to see that someone is sheparding the page, nice work! Randy Kryn 13:17 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. Yeah, WP can become very time-consuming. It will be great to have your participation when you get the chance! Learner001 (talk) 13:58, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. This change is entirely unwarranted: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timeline_of_1960s_counterculture&diff=757611723&oldid=756800744 It is not in the leastest related to the 1949 event, if you continue to perform this type of vandalism I will bring it to WP:AN/I Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 00:15, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing? I wrote virtually the entire page. Please read the book (1984), or at least the entry. The cite refers to the "Thought Police" and modern political correctness. Bring the issue to whomever you like, but please read the book first. Thanks. Best wishes Learner001 (talk) 15:51, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

That source is unrelated. I find it rather amusing that you assume anyone this day and age hasn't read that book. Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 16:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

In all good faith, I don't understand what you don't understand. Please elaborate on why you find this cite unrelated to the concept of "Thought Police" and political correctness. Best wishes Learner001 (talk) 16:47, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

So, zero GF or even a tiny sense of desire for a discussion or consensus of any kind offered? Only threats? Replacing cite. PLEASE DO NOT REVERT without discussion on talk page. Learner001 (talk) 18:39, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

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...and thanks for bringing my attention back to the '60s timeline. Worked on it and came up with a lot of minor (but Wikipedian important) grammar-mark edits, and did add to the Chicago Seven material. Seems to be a very good page. I'll toss it on my watch list as well, thanks for the good advice. Randy Kryn 16:32, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thank you for the good work, and for adding this to your watch list! Learner001 (talk) 21:24, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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Your bully tactics fall on deaf ears here. You need to follow your own advice above. If you persist I can assure you that I will pursue action with administration. Unfortunately, edit warring and being blocked are apparently routine parts of your WP experience, but they are not routine for other contributors. In any event, take your issues with the article to the article talk page for conscientious discussion and, if necessary, RfC. Learner001 (talk) 14:10, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

@CFCF and Learner001: Talk:Timeline of 1960s counterculture or WP:ANI -- pick one of these please, because filling up the history of the article with an edit war is unacceptable. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 19:03, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

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May 4 1953 - Aldous Huxley reverted to incorrect version

Hi - this is the second time this entry has been changed to the wrong information. As explained in the summation of my last edit - 'it is the day that Huxley tried psychedelics for the 1st time leading to the term and the 1954 essay in the links'. The book wasn't published until the following year, but I thought the event was significant as the term psychedelic runs in many forms through the entire counterculture. Hopefully we can reach a consensus on this. BorisAndDoris (talk) 19:35, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hey, I had no problem whatsoever with the content of the edit, but you also included content already noted in a subsequent entry, and I had difficulty trying to easily reconcile all entries and sourcing (please also see related entries under 1955 and 1956). See if you can review and reconcile the total accordingly. Also, we've desperately :) tried to keep the tense of the article entries consistent, so perhaps edit prose accordingly. Otherwise, I again have no issues on the excellent content! Best Wishes! Learner001 (talk) 09:07, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

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