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Costanzo libel???

Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Why were my edits on Franco Costanzo page libel? Even the FACT that his performance was exceptionally poor was removed and replaced by a plain statement. He got goals in ALL games he played par one! In the last European game of Olympiacos he was to take part, he himself refused to be used by the coach, speaking tons about his confidence.

That the (alleged) goalkeeper had so poor performance that it even led to mass creation of jokes in Greece is also a fact (that I even verified with a reference - and I could add more), is a FACT.

I will wait for your reaction on this and I actually plan to revert my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NULUSIOS (talk • contribs) 15:13, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Controversial and possibly defamatory material about living people should always be referenced by high-quality, reliable sources. This is not one of them. You need to present sources from newspapers or big sport portals that directly support the material. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 15:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposed Saotomean deletions

Latest comment: 12 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

I see you have nominated some football clubs from São Tomé for proposed deletion. The argument you give is that they fail WP:GNG and WP:FOOTYN. But WP:FOOTYN says "all teams that have played in the national cup are assumed to meet WP:N criteria" and these clubs did participate in the 2011 cup. About WP:GNG, the results of the clubs are written about in Santomese newspapers such as tela non. Hopefully you'll see that these clubs are notable enough so that the articles can stay. - FakirNL (talk) 23:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I see, thank you. I removed PRODs from Amador, Correia, Palmar and Trindade. If I forgot a team, please let me know. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 04:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Bela-Vista still has the PROD-template. - FakirNL (talk) 11:21, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Removed. The last club, however, didn't play for the national cup... Why did you say I forgot to remove the PROD-template from that? I will now run it through AfD, because I cannot restore the tag. – Kosm1fent 15:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
I wasn't sure whether you left the PROD on Bela Vista by accident or on purpose. - FakirNL (talk) 10:15, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Alright, no worries. Your input in the deletion discussion will be appreciated. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 09:52, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Vector logos

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Their is one way, but it is not 100% accurate depending on the size of the image used, the bigger the better. Select the image go to 'Path' and then 'Trace Bitmap'. It may render it correct, but mostly likely some self editing is needed. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 11:28, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

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θα βαλεις δηλ ενα ανυπαρκτο θεμα με το τσακα σαν μερος της ιστοριας του παναθηναικου? ελα ρε φιλε δεν γραφεις βιβλιο που ταχει ολα αμα ηταν να γραφεις καθε εξελιξη αρχισε και γραφε τι εχει συμβει ολα αυτα τα χρονια μετα τα 08 με ολους τους μετοχους δεν γινονται αυτα

οπως και βρες μου μια πηγη που λεει οτι ο Αλαφουζος ειναι ο ιδιοκτητης ενα σχεδιο εχει βγαλει να παρει τις μετοχες του Βαρδινογιαννη στο μελλον — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.128.102.10 (talk) 12:24, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposed Portuguese deletions

Latest comment: 12 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion

The links below may assist:

Kind regards. League Octopus (League Octopus 19:34, 21 May 2012 (UTC)).

Thank you. Although you could have contested the PRODs yourself. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 19:48, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I prefer just to send a friendly note if its OK. This one I missed: U.D.R. Algés http://www.footballzz.co.uk/equipa.php?id=10876&epoca_id=0&menu=compet 9 games in Portuguese Cup League Octopus (League Octopus 20:15, 21 May 2012 (UTC)).
Don't worry about that, it's fine by me. I'm glad you let me know. – Kosm1fent 20:19, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
No worries. Thanks. – Kosm1fent 09:32, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of the article Peristera Baziana

Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

On the talk page of Peristera Baziana all the users support that the article should not be deleted 688dim (talk) 22:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw. However, they didn't make any policy-based argument. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 04:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Another GREEK "you know what"

Latest comment: 12 years ago13 comments2 people in discussion

Hi there KOSMFENT, VASCO here,

is this a competition to see which country has the most vandals? This guy, which you have warned repeatedly (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimis77), went to Tito Vilanova's page and, without one word, removed the infobox pic (i have no idea if the pic is copyrighted or not, but his action was nothing less than vandalic - in this case, removal of important piece of content/info without explanation).

Thank God for rollback! Happy week my friend, from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:00, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

"is this a competition to see which country has the most vandals?" Apparently, LOL. I've been monitoring his edits for a while, as I think something fishy is going on with that user (I'm not going to enclose details, as I've got very few evidence so far). I will keep you updated. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 20:12, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
You show him! Lol. I've shared my concerns about that user on WT:FOOTY, drop by to say a few words if you want to. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 16:35, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Give up is "the word", not Grease. Have been having my share with User:Creed7 (die-hard Valencia CF fan, even wrote some insulting words towards Bruno Saltor Grau in the player's page after a horrible game the poor guy had). Just see the tons of messages he has about copyright images, see what he cares to respond.

I have engaged with conversation with him in Spanish (yes i know, against WP guidelines), was just running out of options, got the same result. He has been adding for ages Jonathan Viera and Andrés Guardado are Valencia players - they are, but the Segunda División season is not over, so they are still with their previous clubs for one more week; i have desisted and told him in his page i give up, he can have it his way!

If we have this kind of attitude with the vandals, then have more of the same with the non-vandals (Creed is not a vandal, even though what he wrote about the player Bruno was appalling - "Bruno is a very weak, low-skilled footballer. He is a typical Segunda Division player. Hopefully he will leave Valencia in the summer."), what can we expect? Cheers! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:31, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Mysterious, mysterious indeed. He has a Spanish sentence in his user page ("Hola mi nombre es Creed"), now, after TWO MONTHS, has responded me, telling me "Please speak English", which i in fact did in the beginning, is this guy mocking me? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:40, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Haha, go figure. :D – Kosm1fent 18:56, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Haha Part 2 - he did reply (finally!!), and his main language is...English! Then, why on earth that stuff in his page in Spanish? I have further conversed a bit with him, seems like a nice chap, hopefully things will go better now. Sorry to have loaded you with this event mate, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Not at all, glad things finally worked out. :) Cheers and good night. – Kosm1fent 20:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Another (and i could - and will if you don't believe me - give several examples), now he's taken inserting italics in the infoboxes. I have reverted the articles i edit in, even though i would have loved to revert them all. Jesus, if someone told me "You are not welcome here" (at WP or anywhere else) ONCE, i would have listened already... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
I have noticed the italics, he's done that in dozens of articles... is there a guideline/MOS I can link him to? But seriously, he's stressing me out. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 17:42, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Sorry mate, no guideline that i know of, only the thousands of insertions and the subsequent reversions (guilty as charged, i for one inserted them when i was a newbie, had them reverted if i'm not mistaken). --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:49, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - June 2012

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Your expertise is required

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Hi Kosmo An editor has posted a Greek website address enquiring if it is a reliable source for ESC 2013 (see here). As you are Greek, would you be able to cast eyes on the site and let us know if it is a blog or a genuine website. Ευχαριστώ - Thank you! Wesley☀Mouse 08:57, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

About the title: [1] (just kidding) I will take a look and comment there. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 11:24, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Teehee, I like that image. Where did you find it? It is so funny, that I might use it as my profile image on Facebook. And thanks for looking into that issue too. I can understand some Greek, but I couldn't quite work out if the website was a blog or not. You're a good guy at heart, and I love you for that. Its what makes you a genuine person in my eyes. Wesley☀Mouse 13:04, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I love wasting my time on reading rage comics, so yeah, this is where I found it. Thanks for your kind words and allow me to return them to you, because you deserve it. :) Cheers. – Kosm1fent 13:17, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Asteras Arfara

Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

You PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider taking it to AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:35, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I will, thanks for the notice! Cheers. – Kosm1fent 16:49, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Kostas45

Latest comment: 12 years ago11 comments3 people in discussion

Maybe i'm getting a little paranoid, but is this guy also User:Antony1821 aka User:Jimis77 aka whatever or what? It seems so per his list of contributions (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kostas45).

Cheers. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Ugh, I'm really not in the mood for another disruptive editor. I will take them both to SPI. Thanks Vasco. – Kosm1fent 16:20, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Here's the discussion. Your input will be appreciated, especially providing diffs showing his disruptive behaviour (I'm too bored and too guilty for not studying to report every edit I should have). Cheers. – Kosm1fent 17:27, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
ONE WEEK for JIMIS77?! Oh well...even if it had been an indef block, i see that this guy (whom we know is ANTONY1821, THEODORE, etc) is one of them types that won't go away. Remember, i am a veteran editor but not one of the oldest for sure, and i have seen how User:Pararubbas had 70+ socks, did not respond to messages, removed links/refs and did not write one summary - now he's reformed as User:Alexgreene87, but i never "got over it".

Keep it up my friend (and if UEFA Euro 2012 ends up just like UEFA Euro 2004 i would not mind ONE BIT - prefer a national team with ONLY national players any day of the week (as HELLAS), and people like José Mourinho, Cristiano Ronaldo and some more are not exactly my cup of tea, unlike 90% or more of my countrymen) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Kostas Chalkias is in the tournament squad and expected to be the first-choice keeper... I wouldn't expect any miracles whatsoever, LOL. As for Jimis77 I'm happy about the block, no matter how short it is; don't forget we have an SPI case on him, and maybe this block will provide a few more evidence (and a few moments of peace for me, I'm tired of cleaning up his edits). Cheers! – Kosm1fent 16:15, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Alright, both accounts have now been blocked. Lady Luck is smiling on us, since a connection couldn't be established by the Checkuser, but behavioural evidence was too strong. I'll say, all is well. Cheers! – Kosm1fent 04:50, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Appalled to discover what i just have!! No my friend, in no way were your comments in my talkpage bitchy, if anything they were moderate as can be. I have already briefed user/admin User:GiantSnowman, kind regards. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:36, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
I am wondering; will my sockpuppeteer beat yours (Pararubbas)? That's the question. :P – Kosm1fent 17:44, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Now at WP:ANI. GiantSnowman 18:16, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the notice, and have fun at Portugal! – Kosm1fent 18:18, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Ecologist Greens Ioanna Koutouli

Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hi there I sorry if didn't have any references but I will try. Anyway Your invading my right to create and edit a article Ioanna Koutouli became the President of the Ecologist Greens in Greeece so to me it is very important to start a article but delete the webpage (Personal attack removed). — Preceding unsigned comment added by PASOK100 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 2 June 2012

I've removed the personal attack that the user posted Kosmo. Don't think its nice that someone used foul language like that at you. Wesley☀Mouse 01:36, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Wesley, but I don't mind the personal attacks; they are insulting themselves, not me. @PASOK100, as I wrote on your talkpage, you need to present a reliable source citing something on the article if you want that biography to be saved from BLPPROD. However, there are notability issues as well that need to be addressed and I'm afraid that Kotouli is not notable enough. Being the head of a non-parliamentary party doesn't justify notability; Kotouli should have significant media coverage in independent reliable sources and she currently does not, as far as I can see. – Kosm1fent 06:02, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

HFF

Latest comment: 12 years ago14 comments3 people in discussion

IN OUR SITE KATIMAGIKO.GR YOU CAN SEE THAT THE HFF CHANGED HIS PRESIDENT!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by James1453 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it is a fansite. Fansites are not considered as reliable sources and can't be used. – Kosm1fent 16:57, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
  • The nerve of the man, gotta hand it to him! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:03, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
    • Are you talking about me? Because I can take anything (well... almost anything) and don't break a sweat. :P – Kosm1fent 17:07, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
  • In Iván Marcano it was him again, as anon (the italics in box). I added ref in storyline, so that's fixed for now. But let me tell you, if he really wants to, WE'LL NEVER WIN (and i don't care how my summaries come across, this guy is really making me climb the walls, the threat to continue socking being the "icing on the cake".

Cheers (ah and the message below? Charming guy indeed) - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps this has to be added at the SPI report. Thanks Vasco! – Kosm1fent 06:03, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
  • How WRONG was i to think the vandalism in Leonardo Jardim would stop after the move was made official. Bastards! The whole season whilst he managed S.C. Braga, not ONE vandalic act, not one edit period. I better be true to my vows and leave for good at UEFA Euro 2012, or this will be a living hell for me, i tell you the truth my friend. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:24, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
    • Actually, the move is not considered official: [2] (Jardim is in Athens today, meeting with Olympiakos' president) But hey, would it be inappropriate to say that few Greeks edit football articles constructively? – Kosm1fent 13:32, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Please my friend, please, do not take it personally (and i admit the use of the word "bastards" is very wrong on my part). Of course, there are hundreds of Portuguese vandals, hundreds, i'm also "powerfully" upset with those, i really do not understand your reaction (you are Greek, you edit 100% well and i get along with you 100% fine), take care man - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:58, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
    • I'm not angry at you, hell no. :P I'm angry about Greek football fans, who fail to understand how Wikipedia works. Cheers! – Kosm1fent 19:01, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
  • No hard feelings my man! I also see the "user" below refuses to apologize for his message to you of a few days ago. That's the spirit :( --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:58, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Leonardo Jardim

Latest comment: 12 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Nice work improving this chap's article, although i'm sure we'll find an ENGLISH ref pretty soon, if it's not already available :)

Now, in typical fashion, wanna bet this guy will start signing: 1 - Braga players; 2 - Portuguese players; 2 - players that play in Primeira Liga; 4 - all combined into one? My question would have to be, why leave in that case and screw the career of (in this case) young Greek players?

Cheers mate! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 12:07, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Well, his edits were mostly good but the timing inappropriate, since the move was not confirmed until a few hours ago. Oh, have I told you that my AIV against the IP got rejected due to his edits not being vandalism? -_- Yeah. I'll be damned if I ever learn what consists vandalism here. Anyway, cheers! – Kosm1fent 12:31, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
I'M HAPPY. xD The IP passed the duck test in the SPI report and is now blocked. :) – Kosm1fent 12:33, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

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Surprise...NOT!

Latest comment: 12 years ago18 comments3 people in discussion

Is this him (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/GrandTorino7)? Judging by the "contributions" and talkpage, it IS!! Some "undoing" to make, will take care of some now.

Go HELLAS! Happy weekend (but don't neglect those books man) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:26, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I've already reported him at SPI though. Oh, those books... aaanyway. xD Cheers! – Kosm1fent 14:29, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Sorry about the doubt above, it is him 300%. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:32, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
    • I like your style, Vasco. (your message on his talkpage :P) – Kosm1fent 14:35, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Wish i could have said more, but don't want to descend to that level of "wiki-courage". Like i said, if he wants WE WILL NOT WIN. Good thing is that it works both ways ;) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
  • One point is good, a legend Karagounis is, but it was not enough. About GRANDIDIOTTORINO, see what he cared about my/your message, no respect, he continues with the italics and loan removals. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:53, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
    • Well, if you've got an Easter bunny under the goalposts (38 year old and still has never learnt how to properly rush out)... What did you expect. Have a nice football weekend, and good luck to Portugal today! – Kosm1fent 06:30, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Is it because it's weekend? Nothing yet with the SPI, and he continues (and my messages are rising in tone, i better chill out) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:44, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
    • Somebody needs to tell him he's f**king lucky that the SPI section is dead... Cheers. – Kosm1fent 16:26, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Sorry to barge in here, but I'm wondering if contacting WP:3O would work? Having a fresh set of eyes reviewing this situation may or may not be fruitful, but worth a stab in the dark surely? Wesley☀Mouse 16:31, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Wesley, the user is 99.99% a sock of banned user Antony1821. I doubt there is much sense requesting a third opinion, since the only action worth taking is block the sock. Fast. Cheers! – Kosm1fent 16:42, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
I know that getting a block fast is required, but you do seem have gone down that route a number of times now over the same issues, and nothing has been done whatsoever. So far I've noticed AN/I; AIV; SPI; and God knows what other preventative actions being taken, and each time the same replies are given from hierarchy of "there is nothing that can be done". Either the disruptive editor is cunningly working under the radar to avoid being blocked, or people are blind at what is actually going on. Best advice that I can think of is get a detailed log of everything this user (and any other accounts associated and/or done similar disruptive edits) and put forward that evidence for consideration. If nothing is done after that, then perhaps its time to step aside of the fan, and let someone else get hit in the face with the flying shit that this user is creating. Also, a note to Vasco, I've noticed a lot of comments on your talk page that are not in English - might be wise to translate them (per WP:SPEAKENGLISH), more so if a in-depth report about the user's behaviour is to be submitted. The last thing you'd want is admins checking everything and finding the non-English content. Wesley☀Mouse 16:49, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
I have provided enough evidence and more can be provided upon request. The problem is that 1) no SPI clerk has ever replied, 2) it's been 3 days since the report and the user is still active and 3) I'm tired of cleaning up his mess. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 16:56, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Have you thought of leaving a note on Cooper's page, and see if he can assist with this? Wesley☀Mouse 17:02, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure if he's able to help, as he's not an SPI clerk. Should I ask him anyways? – Kosm1fent 17:11, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

He might not be an SPI clerk, but I'd bet my life on it that his admin expertise would come in handy, and he'd be able to point you in the right direction as to how to get this sorted ASAP. I do feel sorry for both you and Vasco here, as you are working tirelessly to rectify the disruptiveness of this prick (excuse the language), and the more you clean up his mess, the more he creates havoc. Neither of you are his personal cleaner, so something needs to be done fast - and whatever cost. Wesley☀Mouse 17:15, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

It's not like he'll ever stop creating new accounts, so that SPI case certainly won't be the last. So I'd say, why bother caring? I have exams in ten days, and I'm not gonna spend my days waiting for the case to be answered... Thanks by the way. :) – Kosm1fent 17:31, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
I can honestly say, I don't blame you for getting peeved off with the behaviour; I'd be the same if it was me dealing with a fool like that. You have enough to be stressing over with these exams, that you don't need to be worrying over this 24/7. I'll keep an eye on things for you if you like, its the least I can do. And good luck with the exams too, you'll be fine. Wesley☀Mouse 17:39, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Latest PRODs

Latest comment: 12 years ago22 comments2 people in discussion

Kosmo,

I've noticed you've placed a pile of PRODs on some new football club articles. Not sure if you are aware, but all of them are being discussed on CT Cooper's talk page. A user asked Cooper to help them out on those articles, and I did question at the time about lack of refs, to which the refs have now been found. Although they are all on Coop's page, and being discussed. I'm wondering in light of this, if those PRODs should be temporarily removed? Wesley☀Mouse 16:59, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

You can add those sources and/or remove the PRODs if you wish, nobody can stop you. Of course, I will consider taking them to AfD afterwards. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 17:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
I was going to add them myself, but the user is relatively new to Wikipedia, and I personally feel it best to coax them into having a try himself. Otherwise, how else is he to learn how to edit on here. Wesley☀Mouse 17:05, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
The articles are now at AfD. Don't forget that articles can always be improved whilist a deletion discussion. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 17:30, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
I honesty fail to understand you sometimes Kosmo. First you tell me to remove the PRODs, but you go ahead an AFD them anyway, even though I have explained fully to you that the new user wasn't aware how to add refs, and that the refs are on Cooper's page. You also told me to go and add the refs, which I am doing. If these article's are to be deleted just because they are in a lower league of the Belgian football association, then we might as well start AFDing clubs in the lower leagues of other countries FA's too - clubs such as Bamber Bridge F.C.. They are in a lower league, but they still have an article as they are a notable club. More likely these other clubs have the same status, but like it has already been pointed out, the refs hadn't been added as the user is unfamiliar with how to cite ref. I'm actually quite stunned really, and I'm just going to walk away before I do damage to my laptop. Wesley☀Mouse 17:35, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
The clubs are nominated for deletion because they didn't play in a national cup. Bamber Bridge F.C. did, meaning that they pass WP:FOOTYN (which is just a project's essay by the way and means that the article might still be deleted if it fails WP:GNG - however there is consensus on WP:FOOTY which says that such articles are normally kept). The primary criterion is that the clubs should meet WP:GNG. Show that and the articles shall be kept. Otherwise, I'll pity your laptop. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 17:45, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm actually angry Kosmo at the underhandedness that appears to have happened here. First you prod them, and I notified you about the situation with the user, and also told you that the refs had been added to Cooper's page for some unknown reason. You told me to remove the prods and add the refs myself; and that would consider taking the articles to AFD afterwards - which implies you where waiting for me to add the refs first before you nominated them. However, you haven't done this, you've just gone behind my back to AFD before allowing me to add the refs which you told me to do in the first place. Now can you understand why I am so annoyed right now? I'm not the creator of the article, but I sympathise with the user who did, as they are new and unaware how to ref things up. He went to Cooper for help, and I noticed the cry for help and also offered to assist. Give the new user a break and don't be bitey with their contributions. Wesley☀Mouse 17:55, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't believe you have just twisted my words at AFD and have quoted me as saying "article creator is aware of adding new refs but is new to all this, so being taught what to do", when in actual fact I said the user wasn't aware. My god Kosmo, go and grab a strong black coffee please, and correct my actual quotation on the AFD, thank you. Wesley☀Mouse 18:15, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
That's what you said when you contested the PRODs: [3] Can't change that. – Kosm1fent 18:20, 6 June 2012 (UTC) Actually I will, as it seems to be a honest mistake. 18:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
OMG Kosmo even you can see that is a typing error, especially when I said to you above that the user "wasn't aware". I'm to assume a slight typing error of "aware" which should read "unaware" is a criminal offence these days? Wesley☀Mouse 18:26, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
I was just quoting your explanation for contesting the PROD. as it's essensial to do. I saw it was a mistake after you reminded me, and since it didn't make sense I corrected it. All good. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 18:29, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

P.S. despite all this, I still think you are a wonderful guy at heart. I'm just having one of those frenzy days, and seeing a new users hard work face the chopping board got me upset for the new guy. We were all new once, and should know how he will feel. Even Cooper has agreed the AFD is very hasty at this stage, as the user is new. Wesley☀Mouse 18:31, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh while I remember, have you had a look at my sandbox - mainly numbers 6 and 8? They are test layouts for ESC and JESC by year articles, based off comments/suggestions put forward so far at the project RFD. (I'm quite impressed with them to be honest) Wesley☀Mouse 18:34, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry Wesley, it's just my way with dealing with articles which I don't feel they are encyclopedic. It may not be cute, but that's me, sorry. No hard feelings, as always. :) – Kosm1fent 18:38, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Check what you've just wrote on Cooper's page

Kosmo, you of all people should know better not to post comments like "babelfish's jibberish" in the context that you just posted on Cooper's page. 1) Klodde is new (and you know that he is), so the context constitutes as biting, and 2) it has been noted that Klodde isn't fluent in English (this he has mentioned loads of times on Coop's page), so that comment could also be seen as personal attack. You may want to rephrase it out of politeness. Wesley☀Mouse 18:41, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Ummmm, I was talking about GoogleTranslate's (= "babel fish") translation of Klodde's e-mail to the Belgian Football Association and it has nothing to do with his English which are very good??? :/ I think it is pretty obvious, that is the only non-English part of the section. Regards. – Kosm1fent 18:48, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to say, but the comment doesn't make it clear that you were referencing to GoogleTranslate. And seeing as you responded to something I wrote (which was about Klodde), then it does make it look like the comment was also in reference to Klodde too. Perhaps making it clear that you meant GT and not the user would be a nice gesture to do. Wesley☀Mouse 18:51, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Why would you think I was refering to Klodde as "babelfish"? It's quite far-fetched, don't you think? xD – Kosm1fent 18:53, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Ha-ha very witty to quote a phrase I used, and throw it at me. Chill out dude! I defended you out of the goodness of my heart, when I told Klodde that we was a bit "far-fetched" in accusing you of things. I though you would have respected that. But that aside, you first told Klodde that he shouldn't be using personal emails as sources. To which I responded back to you, making you aware that he wasn't going to be using email sources, but would be letting us know which newspapers/books we could use to find sources for the articles (which would be listed in the email reply). Following my comment you wrote "Oh okay, I interpreted bablefish's jibberish wrong then" - which does look like you were calling Klodde linguistic skills. Do you see what I mean now? Wesley☀Mouse 19:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Why am I always misunderstood? Eh whatever... – Kosm1fent 19:08, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Where the hell did that attitude come from? Calm down, I know the exams are stressing, believe me, I've been there myself. But just don't take it out on others. I merely pointed out how a chain of written events portrayed, not just in my eyes, but probably in the eyes of others too. Making you aware of it is a good gesture, as I wouldn't want the shit to hit the fan if someone took your comment on Cooper's page the wrong way. Sorry for being a friend and helping you. I know now it isn't appreciated. Wesley☀Mouse 19:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
I appreciate your concern Wesley, but English is not my first language, so there is a language gap between me and English speakers like you and Cooper. I'm really sensitive about not wanting to insult fellow editors, so that's why I reacted like that when you and Cooper thought I was insulting Klodde. Sorry again. – Kosm1fent 19:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
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