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Fordson High School

Hi! This was me editing under an IP (I didn't want to log into my sensitive admin count on that particular computer). Now that I've disclosed that... I'm confused by the edit summary. It was strictly adding content. There is no discussion of any previous issue on the talk page (Talk:Fordson High School). The sourcing all comes from USA Today and Vice. This kind of demographic information and sourced commentary is standard in high school articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Probably won't be able to respond properly til after the holiday. John from Idegon (talk) 08:37, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Alrighty. Please take your time :) WhisperToMe (talk) 08:39, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

I found some New York Times articles about the team itself and about the film that was made about the team. ESPN did the same thing: team (article 2) and film. Do you think it would help if I switched the sources to either of those? WhisperToMe (talk) 08:16, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Hope you had great holidays! Anyway, do you still dispute placement of information related to the religion of the football players? If not I'd like to cite NYT and/or book articles and add the information back. Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 08:56, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm so sorry. Life's been a zoo. My objection was two fold. And it's simpler than my long delay makes it seem. First I don't like "loose" statistics. It makes a guess sound like it's not. So if you replace "80-85%" with most, that objection goes away. Second, you added it under athletics when it is much more about the sociology of being a majority non Christian student body in a public school that supposedly by law ignores religious issues in a majority Christian country. Fordson is an old historic school that has been in the middle of much change. Ford built it and I don't know if you're aware of this but Henry Ford was very antisemitic. There was much strife at Fordson during the civil rights era in the 60s and 70s. I think the article would much better served by presenting your info as a part of the bigger picture. The two Dearborn schools are the only majority Islamic public schools in the country. I wish I could help you construct them as I could definitely use the experience, but IMO we've got two potential FA articles here. If you start a section on the social history, all my objections are gone. And I strongly encourage you to run with it. My abilities to research are severely impacted by poor net access (phone only) and rural life. If it weren't for that I'd run with it myself. Thanks for all you do, WhisperToMe. Seems we've been butting heads a bunch lately. Viva la difference! John from Idegon (talk) 00:00, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply!

I remember there was a lot of strife at schools during the civil rights era: Texas Monthly wrote about how Lamar High School (Houston) and Woodrow Wilson High School (Dallas) had massive changes in their student bodies (and accordingly, their academic rankings/performances) in the 1970s (Lamar section, Woodrow section), and naturally I used that information in the "History of demographics" section. I'd love to do the same at Fordson if I can get my hands on a source that talks about this.

Usually if information is good but incomplete I like to use the Expand section template to remind people that there's more to say about that sub-topic. That way the "seed" (the information presented incompletely) remains, but people are reminded that there's more to do. What I'll do is do some Google Books searching to see if any books talk about the 1970s and specifically how change occurred.

As for the overall changes to the school to accommodate students of a particular religion I have bits and pieces of that kind of info on that at Dearborn Public Schools and Highland_Park_Schools#Efforts_to_attract_Arab_and_Muslim_students but IMO the information isn't fully developed.

Yes, I am aware Henry Ford was quite anti-semitic and had communications with Nazi leaders, something Ford Motor Company wishes it could forget :(

Anyway, I think things have been largely going fine. Happy editing!

WhisperToMe (talk) 02:25, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Something like this? Fordson_High_School#Student_body (I title sections about the student demographics and social history as "student body"). If it's fine I'll ask Meno or another editor at ARwiki if they're interested in adding the content to the Arabic Wikipedia article on the school.

As for Dearborn High I'm aware that the students at Fordson perceived them as being wealthy and snooty (some of the sources about the documentary talk about this!). Yes, I'm aware the official stats all group them as "White". However omitting the number/% of Arabs causes the article to lack demographic info that matters in Dearborn where it's largely based on Arab or non-Arab. What I'll do is look for other sources talking about the number or percentage of Arabs at Dearborn High.

I don't yet have access to any articles talking about Fordson in the 70s but that would be nice to write about.

WhisperToMe (talk) 13:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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Not sure if this is on the correct schools projects talk page

Not familiar with all of the schools project boards. If this [1] is in the wrong place would you please move it for me? Thanks. Meters (talk) 05:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, it's about clarifying a guideline and or asking for direction to a concensus discussion, but it's an invitation to a discussion. It I think would probably be better at WT:WPSCH. Meters, I'm going to ask you to move it yourself. I've got history with one of the participants and would rather not be involved. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 06:04, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Done. And now I have the right archives to look through. Meters (talk) 06:24, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for your support. I was perfectly happy editing small towns, and really enjoy the collegiality of the editors of those articles. Then about a year ago, at the prompting of a millennial acquaintance, I wrote an article about a rapper called Kodak Black. On one day alone last week the article got 15,444 page views, and defending that one article from vandalism and unsourced content became a daily chore. As I interacted with more and more of those editors, it necessarily meant making edits to other rap-related articles, and I soon become public enemy #1. Just last week I was taken to ANI for Wikihounding, and it turned into a boomerang. Some (but not all) of the editors of these music articles are not like the editors you and I know at the small towns in Indiana and Mississippi. They are young and definitely eager, but do not enjoy the structure of Wikipedia, and will tell you so and fight you over it. I also frequently audit the unsourced edits by tracking down a source, and about half the time the edits are not correct. I have many times been tempted to delete the lot of the music articles from my watchlist, but will instead be proposing a change to the way those articles are structured. More accountability needs to be built into the article structure, or the endless unsourced "discographies" will soon be a complete and useless disaster. Just wanted to put that discussion into context. Thanks again. Magnolia677 (talk) 01:23, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

ENGVAR/diverse culture

John, we need your urgent input at WT:WPSCH please. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:01, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: John King (musician)

Hello John from Idegon. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of John King (musician), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 19:39, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

New Paris, Ohio

Hi. You deleted my addition for Travis Miller citing: No references to residence. attending school there doesn't mean he lived in the town. So I am curious about Grayson L. Kirk. His only connection is "he served briefly as a high-school principal in New Paris, Ohio during his senior year at college." Seems to me if Travis Miller doesn't belong then neither does Grayson Kirk. Your thoughts? Jb45424 (talk) 03:39, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Your proposal seems correct. The requirement is "born there, raised there or spent a significant portion of his life there." I'm slightly familiar with New Paris. My concern with your edit was that in a rural area such as that, it is just as likely as not that he didn't live in town. I wouldn't object to his name being added to the notable list for the county. John from Idegon (talk) 03:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you.Jb45424 (talk) 05:26, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Rob Gronkowski's Middle Name

Rob Gronkowski pointed out HIMSELF in an interview recently that Wikipedia has his middle name wrong. His middle name is NOT Paxton, his middle name is James. He confirmed that in this interview on the "Cabbie Presents Rob Gronkowski's Report Card" video on YouTube at the 40 second mark . My edit on his Wikipedia page was correct. Please undo the revision that overrided my correct edit. Lubnasebastian (talk) 07:04, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

References

Take it to the article talk page and learn some critical thinking skills. You're supposed to be a college student. Adios. John from Idegon (talk) 07:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh, and further attempts to restore your preferred version without consensus could lead to the suspension of your editing privileges. John from Idegon (talk) 07:27, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

for the recognition. Buster Seven Talk 04:44, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Buster7? Do you have an opinion on the discussion? Even if you want to leave it here, I'd like to hear it. John from Idegon (talk) 05:29, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

We lost our way. We forgot what our purpose was. You mention you tried ...to head off negativity by closing negative threads only to be told I had no right. There was one admin that left in a huff. No names but I'm sure you know who. That seemed to be the beginning of the decay. I also remember the difficulty in protecting the optimistic We can do this concept that Dennis was all about. I've started to research the archives of the early days and lift/search/define what our mission statement was. The good thing is we are having a discussion. Bottom line: thats what DB wanted...a forum for ideas. Buster Seven Talk 06:11, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

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ENGVAR and disambiguation

Of course U.S. articles should use American. However I've historically written "American football" in U.S.-related articles anyway, either in all instances or just the first one, for disambiguation purposes. I am aware that people people from other countries do read U.S.-based articles and I want to avoid confusing them/remind them that it's the "American" football. (It's also why I have measurements in feet/miles/etc but add conversions to meters/square kilometers/etc). I don't know if this particular aspect has been raised at the MOS talk pages before, but if not it would be a good discussion. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:43, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

I checked Wikipedia:ENGVAR and it does say: "Prefer vocabulary common to all varieties of English. Insisting on a single term or a single usage as the only correct option does not serve the purposes of an international encyclopedia." (and it gives examples: for example international numbers versus "crore" in India-related articles) - American football is the international common term for the sport, so at least in the first instance in all American school articles it should be clarified as such. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:57, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Hayfield Secondary School

Hello John from Idegon. Recently you removed demographic additions to the Hayfield Secondary School page. In the edit, you stated that the source does not support the changes added to the article. As a new user, I was just wondering why this is. The linked source contains the demographics for Hayfield Secondary School, dated to 2015-2016. The source is directly from the school district in which Hayfield lies, Fairfax County Public Schools. Once again, just wondering why the source does not support the changes. Have a good day, and thanks for the kind post on my talk page. IceWinds (talk) 23:21, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi John. I have still not received a response and I would like to get one. I want to be a good contributing member of Wikipedia but apparently my source "Does not support change". I would like to receive some justification for using this reasoning. Thank you IceWinds (talk) 02:15, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

I didn't see your addition of a demographic section with a primary source attached, but even if I had, I would have still reverted it. Secondary sources need to be used. The school district is primary. There is an existing secondary source in the footnote on the infobox. I have no objection to you updating both enrollment and demographics sourced to that. The current enrollment figure is stale. NCES updates annually in December. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 02:22, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Marijuana?

Hello, I was just reviewing some of my old contributions and I see you have removed the link to this news item which I added to Desert Hot Springs, California as "poorly sourced" and "undue weight". Since it's from a reliable news source and is reporting a fact, could you argue for those opinions, please, and arrive at a constructive way to retain the information which the BBC noted was surprisingly absent from our article? I could see the word "boom" might need toning down to "increase", for instance.  Card Zero  (talk) 10:46, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Card_Zero. I'll be happy to discuss it at the article's talk page. I haven't reviewed the edit, but generally if I revert a new addition for WEIGHT, it's usually because something was put in a new section that would be better included in an existing section. BBC is a solid source, but the source (which I have reviewed) expressed what is essentially an opinion in their voice. That's a building block for a content addition, but don't you think before we state the BBC's opinion as fact in Wikipedia's voice, we should have at least one other source that agrees with them, even if only in principal? Happy to continue this at the article's talk. Please ping when you are there. Thanks! John from Idegon (talk) 00:31, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

But I did provide a second reference (to the LA Times). Which section should I have merged it under? Should I combine it with "Boutique hotels and spas" to make a new section called something like "Commerce"? Anyway I will copy this to the talk page now.  Card Zero  (talk) 14:37, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Kalamazoo

Most of the edits you remove are constructive edits which are properly sourced. My post on Kalamazoo, Michigan for example used a perfectly good source and someone else reverted my edit back after you had reverted it. Now you go at it again reverted my edit even though it was properly sourced. Why don't you focus on the vandalism and bad grammar? The more I complain to you the more you target my edits. Hunenmensch (talk) 15:35, 13 January 2017 (UTC)Hunenmensch

• @Hunenmensch: I took a look at the edit and the source - I see raw statistics, but it may help to find a newspaper article/magazine article that talks about Kalamazoo having the lowest dissimilarity index/being "the most diverse". Do you have access to a newspaper in the Kalamazoo area? WhisperToMe (talk) 20:15, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

@Johnfromidegon: Well I think that is a fine source because whoever made it just has to put the data into a a program which calculates the racial dissimalirity index. I'm not in Kalamazoo right now unfortunately so I can't get a newspaper. This source is from 1990 and shows that it had a low dissimilarity index compared to the rest of Michigan at that time also although Ann Arbor had a lower dissimilarity index at the time. It has subsequently lost some of its black population. I will at least put that it has a low dissimilarity index compared to the rest of Michigan.Hunenmensch (talk) 05:37, 14 January 2017 (UTC)hunenmensch

Please take this to the article talk page. I'm not engaging in a concensus building discussion here. You do not have a concensus to add anything on this subject at this time. John from Idegon (talk) 05:48, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

The Gazette can be accessed via mlive.com, the website for all the former Gannett papers in Michigan. John from Idegon (talk) 05:51, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Huntley High School

The reason it's relevant, is because saying it was chosen as a close representative to the previous mascot is false. It was chosen by a vote, do you not believe all information should be relevant and factual? And the source I used was a major Chicago newspaper yet you claim it came from the school. Can you explain why you think that doesn't count? Lithpiperpilot

Edit: Actually never mind, after reading other things you have posted, and your philosophy towards Wikipedia it's no point debating with you. All these things are relevant information that people that look up the school would like to know for either history or other research reasons. Stuff that is cited and backed up, but you unilaterally try and decide, then tell others to get consensus for change.

That's how this works. The above page is not the school's website. I didn't say the information came from the school I said it was only relevant to the school. One mention of it in what is essentially a local paper does not dissuade me from that position. The only way for you to include the info is to obtain a concensus. That means starting a discussion on the article's talk page. Like I said, that's how this works. Sorry if you take offense at that. Perhaps you should limit yourself to subjects you do not have an emotional attachment to. John from Idegon (talk) 00:29, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Essentially a local paper? You're right, I forgot the Chicago Tribune isn't a world class newspaper and is just some local fish rag. I can never separate myself from the article because it was the first one I ever made from the ground up, and to hear someone apply inane rules and opinions to it only strengthens the resolve. The article already says "A new mascot was adopted in 2002 as a closer option to the original mascot" How is "as a closer option to the original mascot" relevant to those outside the school either? Why not just say a new mascot was adopted in 2002? It's additional information that shows why the mascot became a Red Raider, providing a close to the reason it was removed.Lithpiperpilot 18:05, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

I am a Chicagoland native too and am well aware of the status of the trib. It is one of the 5 most important papers in the country. It is also one of two local papers for metro Chicago. Importance of a subject is judged on its coverage. This conversation is over. If you want to start a content discussion at the article talk page feel free. Suggest you read WP:OWN first. John from Idegon (talk) 18:40, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Jeffers High School

Truly a fascinating fact about this school. The criteria for a DYK are lengthy, but include:
NEW:

• B. "Former redirects, stubs, disambiguation pages, and other pages in which the prose portion has been expanded fivefold or more within the past seven days are also acceptable as "new" articles." Yes.

LENGTH:

• A. "Articles must have a minimum of 1,500 characters of prose (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables etc.)" Using this tool, the article is at 543. Any way of expanding it? Magnolia677 (talk) 01:25, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Yup. I still have to add an athletic section, and I can expand history. Looking right now to see if it is an NRHP site. ...it's inside the boundaries of a National Monument (Cooper Country). Care to dig on history a bit while I buzz off the athletic section? There's a ton on the district website, but some other sourcing would be great. John from Idegon (talk) 01:33, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Magnolia677, the athletic section took it over the size limit. I'm gonna add more to history so could you get the DYK ball rolling and just leave a ping here if you need me? John from Idegon (talk) 02:09, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

It's really just fill in the blanks but it looks good. I'd definitely add a second hook, maybe "that for 36 years students attending Jeffers High School in Painesdale, Michigan were transported by a Copper Range Railroad train?" It may take a while before anyone at DYK responds, but they will. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:06, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

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Bellevue Education

You recently (today) reverted an edit on this article, but did not give a reason. Its this revert.

Latest revision as of 17:32, 18 January 2017 (edit) (undo) (thank) John from Idegon (talk | contribs) (Reverted 1 edit by Rob Ert Wade (talk). (TW))

I am not challenging you, but would be interested to know what your reason is.Daithidebarra (talk) 16:25, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Idaho Edit

I'm curious why my edit of Idaho is considered vandalism. I didn't see any information stating it's the official name. I'm confused on how inserting 'Idaho' is vandalism. NWAyeah (talk) 07:45, 22 January 2017 (UTC) NWAyeah (talk) 07:45, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

And I don't see a source that Idaho is its official name. Don't change it again without a reliable source attached. Across the board, your edits tonight have not been helpful. Unless it is a dominion or a commonwealth, every state's official name is "State of....". If you would have read the prose in the highway section, you would have seen it said "major federal aid highways. Every road there is, within a couple hundred miles, either coast to coast or border to border. According to whom does the Salt Lake airport serve Southeast Idaho? You? Why not Jackson Hole or Riverton? Or Twin Falls? And that's not mentioning the unsourced pile of promo you added to the charter school in Duluth. If you are not maliciously a vandal, you sure lack competence. And you've been here long enough that shouldn't be the case. John from Idegon (talk) 08:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I actually had no idea. I share the computer with my roommate, and told me it's cool to edit her account, since it's signed in. It's the first time I ever made an edit on Wikipedia. No reason to be rude towards me at all, just wondering what your reasoning is. I had no idea about the edits previous made. I apologize for any issues in the past. And being from Blackfoot, Eastern Idaho, Salt Lake is the closest international airport, and most commute from Idaho Falls, Blackfoot, and Pocatello, since it's cheaper to fly to/from Salt Lake. It's the recommended airport on the city website. I'll find it for a reference. Twin Falls is tied more to Boise, instead of Utah. I apologize for my ignorance on Wikipedia rules, and will read them before I do anything else.NWAyeah (talk) 22:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

What you know is completely irrelevant. An encyclopedia does not write about a given subject, it writes about what is written in reliable sources about a given subject. It's all kind of irrelevant anyway. Your roommate's account will be blocked shortly for violating Wikipedia's terms of use. John from Idegon (talk) 23:18, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

School clubs

I was trying to find a source for a suspicious club entry on Coachella Valley High School (before I realized how nasty FHRITP was) but the school page has no mention of any of the clubs. I tagged the section, but is it even worth keeping? Meters (talk) 20:40, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I nuked it with my usual explanation. Club lists are usually useless, excepting realllllllly small schools where there is nothing else. That article sucks. Bad. Sorry, don't get your acronym? John from Idegon (talk) 23:02, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

That's the acronym they used in the edit. Took me a couple of minutes to realize it was a reference to this offensive meme http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fuck-her-right-in-the-pussy-fhritp Meters (talk) 01:58, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Children need to experience the taste of lye soap these days...There would be far fewer problems. John from Idegon (talk) 04:16, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Wheeler School

Can you be more specific about what cleanup you feel Wheeler School needs? Is it something that can be added to a reason= field in the template or described on the talk page? Thank you. RJFJR (talk) 15:26, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Read the edit summary. John from Idegon (talk) 15:46, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Cache Olson

Sorry about that, jumped the gun a bit. South Nashua (talk) 19:51, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks again. How is it that you manage to follow me? 32.218.152.233 (talk) 18:55, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I dropped a cookie into a message I sent you once, lol. No, I just watch ANI, and I've got a great memory for numbers. Can't remember a name more than 5 minutes, but numbers stay forever. Weird. Plus you are an enjoyable editor to work with....you have absolutely no IDHT syndrome. John from Idegon (talk) 19:18, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Hmm ... I had to drop "IDHT" into the Urban Dictionary. As I recall, we first encountered each other over a disagreement. And we still sometimes disagree, but I respect your work and your contributions. Someday I'll show you an easy way to follow me. 32.218.152.233 (talk) 19:32, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

WP:IDHT John from Idegon (talk) 19:36, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

List of school districts in Idaho

I saw that you reverted my edit to List of school districts in Idaho, in which I removed the link to Pleasant Valley Elementary School District because it redirects to a California school district. I was going to write a note here explaining why I was reverting you, but instead I spent and hour and created Pleasant Valley School District (Idaho). (I do not intend to make a habit of this.) Then, coming back to List of school districts in Idaho, I see you self-reverted. Now I have put a link in. —Anomalocaris (talk) 11:44, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Wow....If that isn't the perfect illustration of everything that's wrong with anything to do with the US government.... John from Idegon (talk) 15:21, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Pleasant Valley School District (Idaho) is a local school district in Owyhee County, Idaho. It doesn't illustrate anything about the federal government, good or bad. —Anomalocaris (talk) 18:33, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Idaho is part of the US last I looked. The point is, they are paying at least 100,000 a year in payroll not to mention building, transportation, election and apparently office rent costs to educate 9 kids. Why not consolidate? Dorm the kids during the week and transport them on Monday and Friday. It's a ludicrous waste of money. Some of which comes out of my pocket as I live in Idaho. John from Idegon (talk) 20:03, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk pages are supposed to be about improving and settling disputes about article content, not for debating public policy, but you started it, and I will respond this one last time.

U.S. Government redirects to Federal government of the United States, and rightly so, because that is the way the term U.S. Government is ordinarily used.

You are right, federal, state and local governments should avoid wasting money—but wasting money is not the worst thing wrong with the U.S. federal, state and local governments, let alone "everything that is wrong with" them. Trampling citizen rights is worse than occasional wasting money. For example, when a prosecutor obtains a conviction by withholding exonerating evidence, causing an innocent person to serve years or even face the death penalty for crimes he did not commit, that is worse than occasional wasting money.

Pleasant Valley School District (Idaho) is an unusual example, with a staff of 4 attending to the education of 9 elementary school students. Idaho spends $6,824 per student, the lowest of the 50 states and the District of Columbia. So, if you are concerned about wasting money on education, on average, Idaho may be working too hard to avoid spending money on education. If these 9 students were sent to a neighboring school district every week the cost would presumably be about 9 × $6,824 or $61,416, not counting other costs, including transportation, housing, and supervising the children during the week. The student body includes kindergarteners and first graders. I don't think it is a good idea for kindergarteners and first graders to be separated from their families Monday through Friday. Once the school district operates a kindergarten and first grade for maybe 3 students, it probably doesn't add a whole lot to the equation to educate the other 6 students in grades 2 to 6.

We do not know why the families of these 9 students have chosen to live in such a remote place. Perhaps some of the families are employed as game wardens, or in wilderness patrol, or some other task viewed by the state of Idaho as important. Some of them may be involved in scouting for possible mineral extraction. Part of the cost of having people fill these occupations is that their children should be able to have an education not too different from the children of families living in Boise. People might not be willing to take jobs in remote areas if their five-year-old children were sent to boarding school Monday through Friday. As for the staff of four, perhaps the administrator and clerk/business manager are part-time positions.

I agree with you that at first glance, it seems like a lot of paid human effort to educate 9 K–6 students. But the alternative of sending the students away Monday through Friday might not work for a variety of reasons. A teacher teaching six grade levels at once really needs an assistant, and having people other than teachers handle administrative issues like paying the utility bills is not necessarily a bad idea. The children are the future, and these 9 children need an education just like other children. If you are really concerned about government wasting money, take a look at List of countries by incarceration rate, where the United States comes out near the top. A lot of money could be saved by treating drug addiction as a medical problem rather than as a crime, and a lot of money could be saved by treating recreational drug use similar to the way recreational alcohol use is treated. Small adjustments in these areas would save much more than forcing six-year-olds of Owyhee County, Idaho, to live in boarding schools away from their families Monday through Friday, some 38 weeks a year. That is all I intend to say on this matter.

References

— Anomalocaris (talk) 10:35, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

St. Barnabas High School Film Section

The two references were justifying film club at that school with the two articles. I did revert it but please explain further on how to improve it. Respectfully TheBronxNYC (talk) 05:29, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

East Grand Rapids High School

Re: Your removing info about We the People championships. There is no central place this information is located... is it expected that one find a newspaper article for every championship?

Why is this repeatedly deleted when equally unsourced things (e.g., school yoga club) are allowed to remain? Telos (talk) 21:17, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Simply because, Telos, sports results and those of other extra-curricular activities are promotional. A list of clubs is not. That said, the article needs quite a lot of cleaning up for netrality. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:39, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi, Telos. I was just getting ready to drop you a note. So, I'll just answer here.

1. I don't think clubs should be listed either, but you've been here long enough to understand that changes get looked at more frequently than articles get analyzed for improvement.
2. Verifiability is required for each and every fact in the encyclopedia. You got the info somewhere, just cite it. Surely the sanctioning organization maintains records. Do they not list them on their website? School article guidelines indicate we should have references for achievement.
3. In regard a previous edit summary you left: Notability has little bearing on article content, however, the contention that academic competition is as notable as athletic competition is simply false. Newspapers routinely devote 3-4 pages several times a week to high school athletics. The only time academic competition gets newspaper coverage is if someone sends the paper a press release and they choose to run it. That is not to say athletics are more important than academic competition; they're not. But notability does not equate to importance. Notability equates to how much is written about a subject.
4. What does dictate article content? For a school article, three things: Verifiability, guidelines and concensus. Guidelines and wide concensus is that we do not list achievement without independent verifiability.

So, you should understand my position. If you wish to initiate a concensus discussion on the article's talk, feel free. I have a bit of time today so I'll help dig for sourcing for WTP for you. If you have any connections with WTP, it wouldn't hurt to lobby for better record sharing on their website if that is an issue. I have had some luck doing just that with one state's athletic sanctioning body.

John from Idegon (talk) 21:50, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Co-coordinator, Wikiproject Schools

Thanks for your response. No, there is virtually no record-keeping... but I was able to piece together newspaper articles, school board minutes, etc., for almost every year. Still tracking down the last few. Telos (talk) 21:54, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

School board minutes lack independence, but I'll look the other way on that. Cannot say others will. Are you still having unseasonably warm weather in the mitten? I am praying for you all. In my 45 years in the Lake Michigan snowbelt, it was my experience that unseasonably warm temps in December and January inevitably lead to Houghton - like blizzards in February. We're having Michigan class snow out here and if it weren't for all the damage that has occured, I'd be LMAO at the local's inability to deal with it. I miss home. Best. John from Idegon (talk) 22:13, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Plenty of snow this week, but it's been a mild winter overall. Best wishes to you out there! Telos (talk) 18:54, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

The Houdini Museum

Dear John, Dick Brookz here from The Houdini Museum. I did not realize that reporting news of historic significance in a topic could be in violation. Many of the projects we do here at The Houdini Museum are innovative, historic and groundbreaking. I guess in retrospect, it is the style in which it was reported, not the news itself. In my own minds eye, I am not really clear on this, but will be more careful of my postings in the future. Would the information that you deleted, had it not had the outside links been OK? The information is relevant, I believe. Possibly you disagree, which is why you do what you do, and I see by the work you do, you do it well.

Waiting to hear from you on this. Respectfully, Magicusa (Magicusa (talk) 19:33, 31 January 2017 (UTC))

Frankly, horsecrap. You are unabashedly using Wikipedia to promote your fundraising, of which there is absolutely nothing historic. You are doing this on multiple articles. You have a conflict of interest and have absolutely no business editing anything about Houdini or the museum. See WP:COI. Any further insertion of the link you are promoting will most likely result in the revocation of your editing privileges and blacklisting of the link. The tone you are using in this communication makes it perfectly clear you are incapable of writing about these subjects in the required neutral manner. John from Idegon (talk) 19:50, 31 January 2017 (UTC)