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Rescue of Jews by Poles during the Holocaust

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Am appealing for your mediation. I'm not happy with the sentence: "Throughout the occupation of Poland (1939–1945), many Polish gentiles made significant efforts to save Jews from the German Nazis." The Yad Vashem data shows the biggest number of rescuers were Polish gentiles. Every time I write it in the opening sentence, I get cut and accused of POV or edit warring. I'm going to take a break and see if you can take a look at this. Jjaggeropen (talk) 07:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• I sympathize with your distress over the opening statement of this article because I myself hate edit warring and try to remain objective. Technically speaking you both were correct. Yes, Poles did more than any other nation to save Jews, and yes, Polish gentiles made significant efforts to save Jews from the German Nazis. Please try to look at it as a joint effort where nobody is at fault. Lecturing others (especially about language) will only hurt their egos, but you can add your proper statement without deleting anything of theirs, and believe me, it will read just fine in the opening line. --Poeticbent talk 14:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Poeticbent. The problem I have here is that there is no such information in Yad Vashem; some may argue that Denmark, Bulgaria or the Soviet Union did more as a nation etc. Let readers come to the conclusions and skip Poles did more than any other nation.--Jacurek (talk) 15:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• Please try to honor each other's contributions somehow and form a common front, because there's power in numbers. Here's my suggestion for the opening statement with both your points of view. Please comment:

Nazi Germany invaded Poland in 1939. Soon after, the Polish Jewish population became the primary victim of the Nazi-organized Holocaust. Throughout the occupation of Poland (1939–1945), many Polish gentiles made significant efforts to save Jews from the German Nazis. They did more than any other nation to help Jews as shown by the sheer number of rescuers. Some estimates put the number of Poles involved in rescue at up to 3 million, and credit Poles with saving up to around 450,000 Jews from certain death.

Israel has awarded 6,135 Righteous among the Nations medals to Polish gentiles, more than to any other nation. The rescue efforts were aided by one of the largest anti-Nazi resistance movements in Europe, the Polish Underground State and its military arm, the Armia Krajowa. Supported by the Polish government in exile, these organizations operated special units dedicated to helping Jews; of those, the most notable was Żegota.

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--Poeticbent talk 16:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Sooner or later you will have problems with did more than any other nation to help because there is no source for it and also sounds biased, but now is a little better than before--Jacurek (talk) 16:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)