Jfloatz

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jeff Katz Photographer (July 12)

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GeneralPoxter (talk) 00:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Jeff Katz (photographer) (July 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Lapablo was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Lapablo (talk) 13:09, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Jeff Katz (photographer)

Hello, Jfloatz. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Jeff Katz".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:42, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Jfloatz, I have restored the draft based on your request at Requests for Undeletion. If you have an external connection with the subject, you have a WP:Conflict of interest and will have to disclose the same. See WP:DISCLOSE for details, or you can message me if you require help. Thanks. Jay 💬 10:37, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jay, I'm married to Jeff Katz, and I am his business manager. I'm trying to resubmit his page for approval while making all necessary changes that will fit the Wikipedia criteria. How do I resubmit his page? And can you please take a look and let me know if there are any additional changes I should make?

Thank you! Jfloatz (talk) 23:01, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I have added the paid editing disclosure on your user page on your behalf. To resubmit the draft, click the blue button that says "Resubmit" above the page content. I took a look, and the page is still promotional. I have cleaned it a bit. It'll require further editing by neutral editors, and also satisfy WP:PHOTOGRAPHER to be accepted into mainspace. Jay 💬 05:08, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't know what "Paid Editing" is.

Also unsure what you mean by: also satisfy WP:PHOTOGRAPHER to be accepted into mainspace

Thanks for the feedback, I'll do more work on the page before resubmitting.

Appreciate your help, Jay Jfloatz (talk) 09:07, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Paid editing. As the business manager, since you have a commercial relationship with the subject, this will come under paid editing. Jay 💬 14:18, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Jay, I don't get paid. I have never gotten paid. I gave myself that title only to explain why I was working to write this page. Jeff is not a writer, I've attempted - over and over - for years to get his Wiki page up. What do I have to do to accomplish that? You write me replies and then when I have a question - don't respond. I don't know what "paid editing" means? Can someone just please tell me what I need to do to get this page published? Jfloatz (talk) 17:21, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

As you have said it is only a title you gave yourself, I have removed the paid editing notice at the draft talk page. Probably I missed seeing your 10th January post with the questions. Does Jeff Katz satisfy one or more points listed at WP:PHOTOGRAPHER? I see that you have submitted the draft for review again after significantly changes, and can wait for the review feedback. Jay 💬 16:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, Jay, I'm just seeing your reply here, have not answered yet - will do now.

Jeff's work with Prince especially, and others, is legendary. Without a doubt.

He did create new techniques in-camera.

His work is throughout Paisley Park, has had gallery shows.

His body of work is massive, well beyond Prince. Covering hundreds if not over a thousand famous global figures.

He's been covered in major magazines, newspapers for over 30 years.

He was just hired to photograph President Biden for A&E, The History Channel.

A documentary in the works.

So, yes, he does meet the criteria. Jeff is a very private, shy person. His goal was not to be THE star. It is to photograph them and show the world who they are. His body of work is solid. You can see it on his two websites. At the very least, every person should be able to own their long careers and be respected for their hard, successful work.

I hope my changes are correct. I'm really trying! Thanks! Jfloatz (talk) 23:32, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

The last time the draft was declined, it was very different, so we can hope it gets a better review this time. Technique: If the new techniques he created are significant, it would have articles in Wikipedia or mentions within articles in Wikipedia. So which are those? One indicator of notability will be mentions of the subject in articles. If you search "Jeff Katz" in Wikipedia, you'll get 132 results. How many of those are of Jeff Katz the photographer? I browsed through quickly, but found only one at Sign o' the Times, which again, was added by you. The point is, if someone is notable, you would not have to try so hard to get an article up. Editors would have added mentions and described his works and accomplishments in other articles already, and/or there would be an article already. If there are more mentions among the 132 places, you can WP:REDLINK them and it'll let others know that an article is pending. Jay 💬 07:20, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

The reason I've had to try so hard is because, as you can see, it needed to be written differently, as an encyclopedia entry. Inputting on this site is not exactly clear cut. I haven't had much time to focus on it.

Yes, there are very well known people on Wiki, there are also endless people with minor credentials, with no references anywhere of relevance, certainly not on this site. Much less interviewed in global publications, worked with world figures or hired to film the President of the United States. People with a fraction of his resume.

Is the point of this to force people to give up? Insult people's career? If you think all new techniques that people create will be on Wiki or that a person has to be listed in other people's pages to be notable - I'm out of responses.

I've done my best. If it doesn't happen, so be it. It's all you can do in life. I'm good with that! Thanks again. Jfloatz (talk) 08:03, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I've added 20 links to verify statements for his page. What more proof do you need that he's a photographer? That he was Prince's photographer? He has shot tens of thousands of Prince photographs. Call the Prince Estate and ask them. This man is an established photographer with articles in Vogue, The Hollywood Reporter, The Guardian, Rolling Stone Magazine, People, Pitchfork, BBC and on and on. A documentary is in works on his life. He has photographed thousands of actors, musicians, directors, etc. I'm baffled by why this site is making his page impossible to get up. When others, with a fraction of backup are up and running. Again - please tell me what I need to do to get his page up. I'd appreciate some help here. Jfloatz (talk) 17:30, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

And finally, I went to the link you provided. As Jeff's wife I am a business owner. This draft was written with Jeff. Here is what the definition of "paid editing" specifies on this Wiki site > Who is not a paid editor?[edit source]

A business owner writes a Wikipedia article about his or her business.

The business owner definitely has a conflict of interest, but is not considered to be a paid editor because he or she is not being paid by an employer to write the article. If the business owner paid other people to write articles, they would be paid editors.

Please send me an answer so I can resolve this and get his page up, Jay. Thanks. Jfloatz (talk) 17:40, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

This discussion is moot, but you are quoting from a page which was a failed proposal (Wikipedia:Paid editing (proposal)). I did not provide that link to you. The one I provided is the official policy - Wikipedia:Paid editing. Jay 💬 16:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Jay, I'm just trying to understand. If you want to say that I'm paid - fine. I read the link, I'm still unsure what that means on this site. Does that mean we need someone else to submit this? A friend? A mother? Who? Or is that just stated on the page, which is fine. I just want to finish and help my husband get his page up. I need your guidance. 3 years is a long time of trying. Can you lead us here and explain how to move forward? Jfloatz (talk) 19:48, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Disclosure of COI editing or Paid editing, is a Term of Use in editing on Wikipedia. In article mainspace, connected or paid editors are very strongly discouraged to edit articles where they have a COI. But Draft:Jeff Katz (photographer) is in draft space, so you may continue to edit it until it is ready to go to mainspace. Getting other relatives or friends with a COI, to edit is as bad an idea as you editing it yourself. Jay 💬 07:45, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

👍🏼 Jfloatz (talk) 08:05, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Also for some reason, I'm unable to find my full draft. Would you be able to provide a link? All I'm seeing now is your disclosure. Thanks. Jfloatz (talk) 09:12, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jeff Katz (photographer) (April 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Devonian Wombat were: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Devonian Wombat (talk) 11:39, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Devonian, thanks for your thoughts. I'm curious, I see so many pages - endless really - of people who've provided far less reliable info on themselves, hardly any links to verify anything, certainly nothing groundbreaking career-wise and yet their pages are up. While their are many extremely famous entries, I'd say this is more the norm here, than not. For instance this photographer, one small example out of endless > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_White_(photographer).

Reading his page - perhaps you can guide me on why this page was accepting and this one, so far, is not. If you need more examples, happy to provide. I'd just like some clearer guidance.

I sincerely appreciate your feedback. If you read the People Magazine story, the Vogue story they are not just "passing mentions", they are entire articles about Jeff Katz in global publications. Per your feedback I'll add: The Guardian, Rolling Stone Magazine, BBC, Pitchfork, Paris Weekly, The Hollywood Reporter and more. A documentary is in process on his career, perhaps we need to wait for that . . ?

If you have any more suggestions, please send and thank you! Best to you, Jae Jfloatz (talk) 18:58, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Please excuse typos, bad at cell phone typing! Jfloatz (talk) 18:59, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I had a look at Timothy White (photographer). It had some extraneous references which I removed, and problematic phrasing which I cleaned up. He has won awards, he has books published, there are interviews with him; I assume you are placing him in the many extremely famous entries category. There is content needing verification and those were tagged, and has to be fixed. Jay 💬 07:51, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Who I'm talking to here? I replied to Devonian and Jay shows up? OK, whatever.

I assume you are placing him in the many extremely famous entries category. lol

This is now just absurd. Have a good one, whoever I'm replying to. Jfloatz (talk) 18:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, this talk page is in my watchlist, so it shows up when new messages are posted. I assumed you really wanted to know why the article on Timothy White exists, and it made no difference who responds. Not all users may track every page of their watchlist, so it'll help to ping the user like this: Devonian Wombat, to get their attention. You talked about two kinds of pages: those with certainly nothing groundbreaking career-wise, and many extremely famous entries, which is more the norm, and when you said one small example out of endless I was not sure in which category you placed Timothy White, hence my assumption. Jay 💬 04:05, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I cleaned up Timothy White (photographer) and added further content and sources. The good thing was there were plenty of sources available. I got a fair idea of photography sources, and can start editing the Jeff Katz draft now. Which are the other examples you had? Jay 💬 15:47, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Jay, I added a few more Jeff Katz interview links and media from Rolling Stone Magazine/ Paris Match/ Pitchfork, etc. Looking forward to your edit and assistance! Thanks. Jfloatz (talk) 19:09, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Jay, I'd forgotten about trying to get this page up and remembered this week. What a pleasant surprise to see all the work you did on it. Thank you very much.

I saw on the draft a message that a link wasn't up for Jeff photographing Elton John and President Biden, you can find Jeff's photo credit here. He photographed them for Elton's charity foundation. Elton posted his photographs along with his credit. https://staging-www.chfi.com/2022/09/26/elton-john-awarded-humanitarian-medal/

I would add this but am not the pro at Wikipedia. Appreciate all of your help! Jfloatz (talk) 08:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)