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Why are you here?

1. You are hacked off because I nominated one of your articles for deletion - This isn't the place to discuss it, I strongly suggest taking it up in the appropriate AfD discussion or on the articles talk page.
2. You are replying to a message I left on your talk page - Don't reply here! Reply on your talk page, I'll be watching!
3. You want to discuss an article - If it is an article I have previously contributed to, it is likely to be on my watchlist, consider starting a discussion there instead, it may generate more discussion from outside parties.
4. You think I'm harassing you - Unlikely. I have over 20,000 pages on my watchlist, including every UK place, road, bus operator and bus route (and most rail articles). If you edit the same group of articles, we are bound to bump into each other!
5. You actually wish to talk to me - Welcome! You are in the right place, start a new discussion at the bottom of the page!

The talk page

Signatures

I could really care less if you think it's harassment, as you're wrong. I'm fully within my rights here to warn a user of a disruptive signature, and, if they fail to change it, I will report them. I've gotten people's signatures changed in the past because of our policy regarding them, and it is generally agreed upon by most, if not all, admins, that large signatures which obscure surrounding text are not allowed.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 21:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Scratch the above. Something was wrong with my macbook, the other computer I use.. But that does still not excuse my rudeness. Therefore I have apologized.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 21:39, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Well deserved barnstar

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jeni, for her noble work in referencing and working on the bus route deletions.Okip 15:55, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Giving a barnstar to you, who already commented in a AFD, is now considered "canvassing". Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Okip_canvassing What a complete joke, worse this baseless harassment is by an admin. Okip 19:01, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

WP:ANI

Hi Jeni. It was by accident after about three edit conflicts. It was not done on purpose, nor would I ever do it on purpose. I hope your comment "SGGH removed this for no reason" didn't result from you thinking I mean you ill. Regards, SGGH ^ping! 17:49, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Copying and pasting your version into the edit window when faced with an edit conflict is not the correct way to deal with these things. Jeni ^(talk) 17:51, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Jeni, you should know better than to template the regulars. BTW what do you think of my new route article? Aiken ♫ 17:52, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Do template the regulars, regulars are not exempted from being templated if their actions are shocking. Jeni ^(talk) 17:53, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

OK. Anyway, do you think the article is any good? Aiken ♫ 18:00, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not convinced it warrants a seperate article, when Wilmslow Road bus corridor already exists. One of the things I've been pushing for is the combining of individual route pages into "corridor" pages if appropriate, and have done several of these merges in the Birmingham area. Jeni ^(talk) 18:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I think there's too much information for it to be included in the big article. I think most routes are unremarkable on their own, but the fact it's a frequent 24 hour service linking the biggest airport in the UK outside of London to either the 2nd or 3rd biggest (I forget which) city in the country, plus the fact it is the only one operating on Christmas day, plus the fact it has been discussed in significant sources (more so than the London ones) makes it worth having an article of its own. Aiken ♫ 18:08, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Just don't mention it to BHG, it'll soon get nominated if you do! Jeni ^(talk) 18:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I already did but I'm so convinced it's notable I have no fear of her doing that. Aiken ♫ 18:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

It's fine when I make sure to place it underneath whatever comment I have edit conflicted with. As I said, it was an accident. Please don't imply otherwise. :) SGGH ^ping! 17:53, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, with the case of JzG, he didn't delete another persons' comments, if this is the diff you messaged him about. What he did was to insert a reply to an above comment and move the subsequent ones down a level, which is not the same as deleting them. Unless this isn't the edit you messaged him about? SGGH ^ping! 17:59, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

JzG was re-factoring other users !votes. Jeni ^(talk) 18:00, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

My apologies, you are in fact correct on the JzG count. SGGH ^ping! 18:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Silly

Don't template the regulars. Speedy keep does not apply when valid delete !votes have been expressed. HTH, HAND. Guy (Help!) 18:11, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Do template the regulars Jeni ^(talk) 18:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Personal attacks against you

I note that an editor has said you were "trolling"[1] and note that you have been involved with this editor for several months. A cursory glance and it appears like there maybe enough cases of personal attacks to send this to Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts, thoughts? Okip 19:38, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

• More personal attacks:

"trolling"[2]

"troll"[3]

"You did some really sloppy checks on a tiny fraction of the edits of two prolific editors, and apart from misunderstanding the edits involved, you made the lazy and lazy and stupid bad-faith assumption that all the edits were the same."

Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts/archive80#BrownHairedGirl

Thank you for removing those tags. If you had actually been acting in good faith, then you would have apologised for your mistaken attacks on other editors .... but since you didn't, I can only conclude per WP:DUCK that you are a troll.[4][5]

Okip 20:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Okip, the best venue would probably be an RFC. However, Jeni is not exactly innocent in all this. I have suggested they stay away from each other; apparently they also conflicted in road related article discussions as well. Aiken ♫ 22:07, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I just resent getting dragged into this all today, and I stumbled upon some troubling edits. I am sure there is plenty of WP:POT to go around! You seem like a fair editor Aiken. Okip 23:11, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Glad you could make it to the ANI, I was a little bummed I stuck my neck out, (or something else flapping in the wind, if you read Spartaz proposal), and had a line for so many people with axes, and few editors saying hold on a second. thanks for your comments. I accepted help from Jclemens, so something other than those bus articles being referenced good will come out of it. Okip 22:58, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

144 Bhm - Worcs - Malvern

Jeni, I used this route from Malvern to Birmingham on a double decker dozens of times as a kid throughout the 1950s and 60s, but can't remember anything of interest for your article although I used to be a keen BMMO spotter. Sorry I can't be of more help. BTW: I'm in Malvern again, returning home to Thailand on 1 May.--Kudpung (talk) 00:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Middleton (Milton Keynes Village)

Jeni, do you actually know anything about this subject? Did you actually bother to read the article first? 'Middleton, Buckinghamshire' is a meaningless, slavish following of a naming rule which does not apply to districts entirely within a city or town. However in this case, the "(Milton Keynes Village)" is not a disambiguator, it asserts its position as the heart of the modern district and the name of the civil parish. The original name has stood for years until another editor made the same change, blindly followed a formula without thought for the impact. Which is why I reverted it. In the light of this clarification, I invite you to undo your edit. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 22:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

WP:UKPLACE is pretty clear on the subject, though perhaps Middleton, Milton Keynes would be more appropriate. The article title is not the place to start asserting "its position as the heart of the modern district and the name of the civil parish", that is what the body of the article is for, the same reason the article title isn't Middleton (a district and civil parish in Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, England. Centred on Milton Keynes Village, the village that gave its name to the 'New City' of Milton Keynes). The article title is for establishing the name of the village, with other common names redirecting there. Milton Keynes Village already redirects to Middleton, Buckinghamshire so that aspect is already covered. Jeni ^(talk) 23:06, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I would be content with Middleton, Milton Keynes as it would make sense from both aspects. I have raised a question at Wikiproject UK Geography on the interpretation of WP:UKPLACE since its MOS states quite clearly that district,town/city is a valid alternative to village, county where appropriate, which it clearly is in this case. Your contribution there would be welcome. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

London Buses route E8

Jeni

Rather than simply reinstating disputed text, as you just did at London Buses route E8, please can you discuss the matter on the article's talk page, where I have raised concerns that the text you reinstated does not tally with the conflicting material in the references used.

Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

You are simply trying to edit-war your POV, as usual. Your edits have been reverted by more than one editor, take the hint. Jeni ^(talk) 17:46, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Jeni, I spent some time assessing the sources, and AFAICS they do not match the facts asserted, so I wrote a detailed explanation of the problems. Far from trying to edit-war, I have been trying for over a week to discuss the problems.

Rather than blind-reverting, please discuss the problems which I have identified with those sources. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:49, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Jeni, you have three times ([6], [7], [8]) reinstated in this article material which I believe is not supported by the cited sources. Have you have not participated at all in the talk page discussion.

Since burden of proof rests with the editor who adds or reinstates material, I presume that you have some reason to believe that the refs do support the text which was added. Please can you explain at Talk:London Buses route E8 why you believe this to be the case?

Thanks! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Wyche, Worcestershire

Hi Jeni, I wonder if you could use some of your Wiki magic to add the correct geo coords to this article I just created, to the header and to the infobox? Thanks.--Kudpung (talk) 08:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Falmer - Requested move

I have started a requested move for these articles here. As someone that has been involved in the previous moves and/or discussions about them you may wish to comment there. Dpmuk (talk) 09:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)