User talk:Hkwon/Archive 3

Thanks...

...for your contribution to the article Jindo! Chrisrus (talk) 13:39, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, welcome back! And also, Korean Cusine needs a section about duck (meat). I think you know about how Koreans prepare and eat duck. Would you be interested in adding such a section? Once that is done, other minor meats (such as dog) would be reasonable to include. What about turkey? Do Koreans eat it? When I was in Korea, I only ate Turkey once, and that was on Thanksgiving in Itewon, so I don't know if Korean cusine features Turkey or not, but it must be for sale there as we did eat it on that day. Chrisrus (talk) 13:39, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dear Chrisrus. Please read the previous "Duck" section that I just wrote. I could not find any notable historic records of Koreans eating ducks and turkeys. Nowadays you might find some Korean restaurants serving those meats, but I am sure they are just recent things. As Itaewon, Seoul is pretty much a small US settlement (also a Muslim settlement) in Korea, an experience there can't be a generalization of Korean cuisine. Of course, Itaewon has become one of few melting pots of culture in Korea. I still enjoy the authentic Budae jjigae at Itaewon and remember buying many American rock bands T-shirts there when I was younger. Hkwon (talk) 13:36, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Korean Cuisine

Welcome back, I would appreciate your input on this again. It seems there have been some counter claims by other editors that they have also read Dr. Pettit's book. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 03:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I will take a look and see what I can do. Hkwon (talk) 15:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Please refrain from reverting good faith edits. If want disagree with any of the changes to the order of sections and subsections, please explain them in the talk page so we can discuss. If you disagree with expanding "dog meat" topic into the new medicinal food section, please explain your position in the talk page.Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 18:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't there not be a section on duck as a part of the article Korean cusine? We have chicken, beef, and pork, what should come next? I've heard that duck is the fourth most common meat in Korea, is this not true? It seems to me something strangely missing from the article. After that, we would probably need a section on the fifth most popular meat, too. What do you think about this priority? Chrisrus (talk) 03:36, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Dear Chrisrus. Hope you have been doing well. I've talked with my friend who teaches food and nutrition classes in a South Korean university about this subject; She answered that Korea has not had a notable history of eating poultry products including ducks and geese. Instead, she told me that Pheasant meat had been very popular next to chicken, beef, and pork, used in Korean dumplings, naengmyeon (cold noodle), etc. So I think that an additional section in Korean cuisine concerning food ingredient should be "Game meat" (or a similar title). I am willing to write that shortly. Hkwon (talk) 12:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Special Korean Dog

Excellent. Also, there was some trouble at the article Dog Meat understanding an article written in Korean, mostly, with just a poor translation of the abstract. As you know, I'm mostly focused on learning more about the Nureongi and any other obscure, rare, or interesting dogs. That article's English summary seemed to hint that there might be some discussion of that dog within that I could use to improve the article about the dog. If not, I'd like to find any WP:RS source, hopefully Korean, which acknoledges or details anything about the dog. Chrisrus (talk) 17:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Dear Chrisrus. Thank you for your prompt reaction to my comeback. Let me take a look the article you mentioned and see what I can do about it. Hkwon (talk) 17:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Dear Chrisrus. I took a quick look at the articles Korean Cuisine and Nureongi, but could not find anything that needs serious revision (at least any important information from reliable sources that I can provide) so far. Maybe I missed something; could you tell me more about troubles and rooms for improvement in those articles that I can help with? Hkwon (talk) 18:04, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it was this Talk:Dog_meat#Citation_from_.22kmbase.medric.or.kr.22. I can't read it but the summary mentions the dog and made me hope that the full text described the dog or otherwise discussed it. 67.246.33.203 (talk) 18:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

This is a writing by Ahn Yong Geun, a dedicated pro-dog meat activist in South Korea. He obtained a Ph.D. in biology from Osaka City University, Japan, and is currently a professor in Food and Nutrition in Cheung Chong University in South Korea. As far as I know, most of Korean pro-dog meat articles on the Internet are written by him. I have been personally neutral to his opinion.

The article you showed me academically discusses Korean traditional recipes of dog meat and its nutrition and and expresses Ahn's own pro-dog meat opinion as a part of Korean traditional culture. I don't want to translate this long article, but am willing to translate necessary parts of it if you ask me. I might have missed some recent discussions on dog meat consumptions, but I don't think Ahn's article would contribute much to Wikipedia at this time (quotable information that haven't been added). Please let me know if you have further interest in Ahn's research. Hkwon (talk) 19:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I see. So, he says nothing about the dog? No details or history or anything about the animal? I'm very disappointed. The abstract, as the translation seems to imply that he was saying there is such a distinct Korean dog. At very least, could I use this article to prove that at least one Korean researcher does in fact state that the dog exists, and it is not like other dogs, that it is special and distinct, even though it says no more about it? Even though he does so in the course of making an argument about something else, I don't particulary care per se about that, I'm sharply focused on proving there is such a dog and learning about it. I'm only tangentally connected to the dog meat issue, I want to improve the article Nureongi. We have proven it exists with only one WP:RS paper from Cambridge University and a few WP:RS newspaper articles, mostly in Englsh, but I can't find anything Korean because I don't know the langauge and even if I did, it would still be hard because the dog has no special Korean name, I gather, although it is special, research so far has proven that Koreans don't think of it as special so they don't talk about it much or care about it much, because for example they haven't given it a name, even. Anything you could do to help me find something Korean that discusses this dog would help me, even if it uses the existence of the dog to prove something that's not my point, such as whether eating dog is good or bad, whatever, I want to look past their main point for any signs of this dog. Here is a picture of it from an anti-dog eating site. [1]Chrisrus (talk) 20:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Well. this partial translation of Ahn's article might be of help. (First paragraph of 4th Section "Result", line 68):

"No Korean kills and eats their loving pet dogs. Dog meats available in Korean market are from dogs specifically bred and raised as food. As of 1998, there are 2,246,357 dogs, but only 882,482 households raise dogs in South Korea, making it 2.5 dogs per dog-keeping household [1998 figures from Statistics Korea]. This does not mean that an average Korean family with dogs raises 2 or more dogs, but that many dogs are raised as food, not as pets by specialized farmers." Sorry but I don't have any other good information that I can show you, even though I have been interested in this topic. Hkwon (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Excellent! Yes, I think it does, yes, it is exactly what I was hoping you could do for me that I cannot: find out what this article does say about the dogs, specifically here some idea of how many hundreds of thousands of these dogs are alive at any one time. I have tried to work this into the article Nureongi, please watch that article. Thanks again! Chrisrus (talk) 16:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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Revert on Kimchi

Sorry to have to revert your first addition to Kimchi in ages...but WP:NOTHOWTO says that we don't provide instructions for doing things, which recipes fall under. The other sections that cover normal ingredients or the process in general are reasonable, but not actual amounts, times, and steps. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:07, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hi. I tried to check the link that was pointed out, but most links in the reference list has been heavily edited by other users to more appropriately fit Wikepedia guidelines, and I could not find the original link that I might have added in the past. Hkwon (talk) 12:52, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

WP Korea in the Signpost

Hello Hkwon, and nice to meet you. I noticed your tireless contribution to Park Geun-hye, and want to thank you for the work. By the way, have you consider to interview with WP Singpost? They say "it is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project." You can find the original post by Mabeenot at WP Korea's talk page. Please join the interview if you're interested. Many thanks, --PBJT (talk) 17:16, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Dear PBJT. I checked the WP Singpost page and the posting you referred to, but could not understand clearly the project and its interview effort. Besides, I have not been directed contacted by them. So I don't think I would join the interview at this time. Hkwon (talk) 12:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

A question for you

Hello Hkwon. How have you been? I have a question for you. Please notice that the article Dog meat includes a section on a proposal which was not adopted to classify slaughter dogs as livestock. As you know, "slaughter dogs" is not a common term in the English language and that link is red so we can't understand what the officials who made the proposal were referring to. I tried to find the term in the differenct references that are used to cite the statement, but failed. One of the references is in Korean, and I don't know the langauge. So I thought of you.

Can you find the Korean term which was used in the proposal and discussion of the proposal? What was the Korean term that the article is translating as "slaughter dogs"?

Even if you can't or would not like to help me with this, thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and happy editing? Chrisrus (talk) 05:45, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

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