User talk:Hersfold/Archive 23 (November 2008)

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November 1 - 12

FYI...

[1] ;) MaxSem^{(Han shot first!)} 11:59, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Oops. Thanks for that. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Image I Can't Use

It's an image I found on Google image search of Queen. So, what mark says that I can put an image on my UserPage? TopGearFreak ^Talk 18:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I just posted a clarification on your talk page. Usually, images you find online cannot be used here. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Article is an Advertisement?

I would like to know why you have deleted my page, Sous Chef, LLP. This is an actual company with a product that is attempting to gain capital to begin production. I am following guidelines on how to make an article. I think I should be given ample time to complete my article before it is deleted. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nymets1726 (talk • contribs)

I'd highly recommend you not repost it - I saw it had been deleted multiple times already today. As for advertising, I'd recommend you look though our guidelines on the subject, as the content of the article was far from neutrally presented. Usually using first-person pronouns such as we is a red flag when we review articles as well - it shows you have a conflict of interest which could lead you to add a bias to the article, even if you don't intend to. If you feel your company is notable enough to be included, I'd recommend you request an article for it instead of writing one yourself. Let me know if you have any more questions. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Patches1998

Um - isn't an indefinite block for a childish comment a bit severe? The user, Patches1998 (talk · contribs) is *obviously* a newbie, seems extremely young, and didn't actually threaten anything, just said they had a "secret weapon." And indef block seems like WP:BITE to me. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome to unblock them if they request it - personally, however, if they're going to act that immature here, and post that private of information (he's 10, according to his deleted page), they don't need to have an account without someone supervising them. Having looked closer at their contributions, I'd be open to an unblock provided he was more careful about his conduct. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 05:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - I'll keep an eye on their page and maybe post a note there and see if they show up again and/or their response to the block. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 17:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the rollback app! Murphy2010 (talk) 17:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

My Guestbook

Hey there! Fancy signing my Guestbook? I'll give you cookies if necessary. -- MISTER ALCOHOL ^{T C} 20:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, but I don't generally approve of guestbooks, as I feel they go somewhat against certain policies. See you around the wiki, though. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Cookies!

Well, eh? I'll still give you some cookies to make you comfortable at home. Here. -- MISTER ALCOHOL ^{T C} 05:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hi Hersfold, You probably don't remember me. Our paths had crossed here in September. I noticed earlier today that the same editor with whom I had drawn swords with in September was reverting one of my edits, which of course is fine. However, I noticed that in the edit summary, a Wikipedia rule was appearing in the guise of more inflammatory language. See here, and he seems to have done this before either in edit summaries or talk page posts, see here. Is this sort of thing allowed on Wikipedia? Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

No, that's not acceptable at all - it's perfectly reasonable to remove information if it is believed to violate one or both of those policies, and mention that in the edit summary, but the manner in which it was done here is a personal attack. That it doesn't appear Sarvagnya even attempted to discuss it with you doesn't help at all. I'll leave a note on their talk page to knock it off, but in the meantime, as always, do try to review what you're adding to make sure it's accurate. Personal attacks aside, a policy was cited in the removal. I don't know enough about this subject to judge on the validity of the content you added. If there are any more problems with this sort of thing, do let me know, or you could also consider posting a notice at WP:WQA. Thanks for the heads-up. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. As for the policy cited in the removal, he may have a point; it's a tricky one though, and I'll have to mull it over. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

OK. Its not "bullshit" or "bullcrap".. it only "Synthesis" and "OR". Point taken. jftr though, I must point out that the edit summaries were only a comment on the "content".. not the "contributor". Agreed, I can keep them more "civil". It is just that sometimes I forget to sugarcoat things. Will keep your words in mind next time. Thanks. Sarvagnya 17:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Here is another discussion on another admin's talk page regarding Personal attacks. Sarvagnya's behaviour often results in usually calm editors to lose their cool. Its like a disease. --59.182.19.51 (talk) 06:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

And you are...? Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 06:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about him. He's just a rather well-known and banned troll. Sarvagnya 17:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Request Rollback Feature

Hello Hersfold. I'm a relatively new editor on Wikipedia having spent my first few days correcting typos and misspellings. I started patrolling new pages last week. For about the 10th time, today I needed to undo multiple edits of a user who had vandalized a page several times in a row. I understand the rollback feature would simplify this multiple undo process (as well as reverting vandalism in general) and that you are one of the administrators willing to grant this. I'd like to make the request. Let me know if you have any questions. I've got this page on my watchlist so you can reply here. Thanks for your consideration. JimVC3 (talk) 22:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Jim, welcome to Wikipedia! I've taken a look at your recent contributions, and it looks like you are off to a good start here, especially with vandalism patrol. Nice work. However, I'm not quite willing to grant you the tool just yet, as you are quite new here. This is no reflection on you as a user; it's just that I prefer users to have a little more experience with how things work here before I grant them additional tools. You may want to look into using some of the automated tools you can install yourself - Twinkle, for example, is a common tool that works almost like the real rollback, with some other added functions. If you'd like, I can take a look again in a couple weeks to see how you're doing, and I may grant you the tool then. If you have any questions about anything, let me know. Happy editing! It was good to hear from you. :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I understand. And yes, feel free to take a look again in a couple of weeks. Thanks. JimVC3 (talk) 23:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

IP block exemption

Ehh, regarding User talk:Kare Kare#Autoblock? ... During an edit conflict with your message, I had just granted an exemption. After reading your message, I am wondering if I should go undo that change. Please let me know. Thanks —Travis^talk 00:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary, especially since someone did clear the autoblock in this case. You know as well as I do, though, that the policy is set more in clay than stone, so it's up to you. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

You win

I caved and made this account, so where's my cookie? Aealy2010 (talk) 17:01, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Real Life Barnstar
		For going the extra mile, contacting authorities and possibly saving a life. We need more folks like you here. Toddst1 (talk) 17:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Replied on your talk. Thanks. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Discussion of Wikipedia

Hey! BlueCaper here. If you want to discuss some things we can do to help Wikipedia, whatever it is, tonight, then follow this link. Come immediately after reding, because my Adobe Connect free trial expires tonight. BlueCaper (talk) 01:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

And why, pray tell, can't we discuss this on site? Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

It would be easier to instead of keep editing repeatedly, to just have a conference-like discussion. Plus, then, I could multi-task because I am busy. We can discuss on here, but the message probably sounded a bit imperative because I se up a free trial and it will be expired tomorrow without everbeing used. That's all. 02:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

We do have chat channels specifically set up for that purpose. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Rollback Request

Hello, you removed my access to the rollback tool, and said I can request it back from you after my block expires. My block was lifted by Jossi, you can see the discussion on my talk page [2] and his [3].

Can you please re-grant me access to the tool. I used the rollback tool after my non-vandalism edits were rolled-back, but I now realize that was no excuse to use the tool. I promise to only use the rollback tool for blatant and obvious vandalism in the future. Thanks.--Parthian Scribe 18:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

No. It's good to see that the block was, after all, a mistake, however that doesn't change the fact that you misused rollback. When you accepted the tool the first time, you made the same promise (or at least accepted those conditions of its use). When I said you could re-request the tool, I meant after a few weeks, (hence "after some time" in my original post). You are welcome to request it at WP:RFPERM if you're not satisfied with this, but I will be happy to take another look at this after a couple weeks if you don't mind waiting that long. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I must have missed the "after some time" part, sorry about that. However, after reading Help:Reverting#Rollback it says it's polite to leave an explanation on the article talk page or on the talk page of the user whose edit(s) you reverted. While I did not leave a comment on the other user's talk page or the article's talk page, I did leave an explanation to the revert on my own talkpage--where the other user had commented; since that's where the discussion previously existed. Also access to rollback rights for me was removed because of "edit warring with rollback"[4] however, WP:EDITWAR describes edit warring as "when individual editors or groups of editors repeatedly revert each other's edits"; I only reverted one edit, I'm not sure whether or not you saw that since the Obama article was flooded with edits at that time. But, I don't mind waiting another couple of weeks to get back rollback--it's not that big of a deal. Thanks. Parthian Scribe 22:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Block of User:Boodlesthecat

I think this block is a mistake. Please see here. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 00:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it wasn't, as I've already mentioned on Boodles' page. I agree with Tiptoety's assessment of the situation. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Userbox mixup

Thanks about that earlier. I have some experience in wiki editing from ZeldaWiki, but this is just a little bit different. I got in now, thanks. Zapdemon (talk) 04:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Sure, glad to help. Let me know if you need any more help, or if I don't seem to be around, you can ask at the Help Desk. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Adoption

Hello, Tiptoety recommended you for adoption, Would that be possible? --Tyler | Talk - Contributions | 13:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Discussed on IRC - I'm working on setting up your adoption/mentorship page now, and will let you know when I'm ready to start. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 15:27, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Candidate Podcasts

Wikivoices (formally NotTheWikipediaWeekly) would be interested in making several podcasts with candidates running in the 2008 English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee election. Given the high number of candidates likely to be signing up during the nomination stage (likely to be around 45) it will be a very busy 2 weeks. These shows typically last about one and a half hours to record, taking into account setup time, and are recorded using the free, downloadable programme, Skype. The programme can be used on Windows, Mac OS and Linux operating systems and is also available on some mobile platforms. If any candidates have problems with installing or running the program please contact me at my talk page or by email

There will be 2 formats being run over the next 2 weeks. The first will be general discussion with a small number candidates at a time with several experienced hosts from Wikivoices. Each candidate will be given 2-3 minutes to introduce themselves then the main body of the cast will begin. The topics discussed will vary in each recording to ensure fairness however the atmosphere will be generally free flowing. These will be running throughout the two weeks starting tomorrow. Specific signup times can be found here at our meta page. PLease sign up for all the times you are available for. You will be notified which one we would like to attend.

The second format will be based on a similar style to election debates. Questions will be suggested here by the community. A selection of these will then be put to a panel of larger panel candidates with short and concise 1-2 minute responses. Other than an introduction and hello from each candidate, there will be no opportunity for a lengthier introductions. Specific signup times can be found here at our meta page.

It is recommended that candidates attend both formats of casts and we will try to be as flexible as possible. We are looking for the greatest participation but also for shows with enough members to keep it interesting but not too many that it causes bandwidth and general running issues. I look forward to working with all candidates in the coming weeks.

Seddσn ^{talk Editor Review} 12:51, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the offer, however I have no access to a microphone system, so I am uncertain if I will be able to participate in this. Should I be able to do so, however, I would greatly appreciate knowing who is responsible for running the cast sessions; I have previously had some poor experiences with this program that have led me to be highly distrustful of certain users responsible for its operation. As mentioned on my candidate talk page, I also will not be very available over the course of the next week due to real life obligations. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Tks

Thanks for the template and best of luck to you too. — Rlevse • Talk • 16:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Nov 12 motto

I'm not sure what is wrong either. Could it be something to do with Template:Motd? Simply south (talk) 22:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe, but I don't see what it could be. It's probably not worth messing with at this point; today's motto will only be up for another hour, and we can look into it further should another motto cause the same problem. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

November 13 - 30

Raven Alder

Gah. A7 does not mean you get to delete something simply because a quick search doesn't find WP:N. It allows deletion if there is no claim of notability made. In this case there's a clear claim of notability. I'm not going to contest this deletion since a full AfD would almost certainly result in deletion. In the future please do not abuse speedy deletion criteria. JoshuaZ (talk) 02:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree, I believe there was a need for the article, and the person was indeed notable under WP: Creative IMO. However, I was not aware that the article was Proposed for deletion. Sephiroth storm (talk) 03:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

JoshuaZ, I do beg your pardon. This matter was looked into independently by several different administrators, who agreed that the article could be deleted. The claim to notability was minimal at best, and there were no reliable references to the article as required by WP:BLP. Also in accordance with that same policy, the subject of the article requested it be deleted, presumably through one of Wikipedia's email queues. If you have a problem with the manner in which I use my tools, I am always open to discussing it in a civil manner. In the future, please do not accuse others of abuse. I am open to restoring the article for an AfD discussion should you wish, however I agree with your assessment that it would be unnecessary. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:44, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Abuse may have been too strong a word, but there's no way this article was A7. And the argument that there were no sources is simply inaccurate if one a) looked at the history of the article or b) did a google search. Moreover, request for deletion does not combine with A7 in some special fashion. We have no consensus about what constitutes valid circumstances where courtesy deletion should be given. We aren't going to get a consensus by handling such articles in a myriad out-of-process ways. Such issues need to be handled carefully and slowly with all circumstances examined in detail. I'm further disturbed that you were apparently unaware of the circumstances of the deletion request (which FYI was made through an admin who knows the article subject in real life) given that we've had trolls pretending to be article subjects wanting their articles deleted. In the future I hope when faced with such cases you exercise restraint and deliberation with the admin tools. JoshuaZ (talk) 04:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

When I reviewed the article, the claims to notability did not appear to be sufficient to merit an article. In reviewing the history of the article (which yes, I did do, and am doing again now for the second time since deleting the article), the only source in the final version of the article was to a message board post, and thus unreliable. Doing a Google search (Google tests, by the way, are not measures of notability), I'm not seeing any sources that are a) substantially different from the one we already saw b) reliable or c) non-trivial. I looked at more than just the top 10 hits, so you know. Could you provide one of the sources you say exist? That would be a considerable help.

As for the courtesy deletion thing, current practice seems to be that such articles will usually go through a quiet deletion, such as PROD, speedy, or a well-justified IAR deletion, if the request seems to be valid and the subject has only borderline notability. This is what seemed to be the case here. Consensus can be built on such actions; if there are no objections to the deletion, or the community generally acknowledges that it would have been deleted anyway (as you said yourself), then it can be added to the stack of articles that have gone through that process. In this case, I did discuss the matter with other active administrators, one of whom brought the matter to my attention and was considering deleting the article himself. Deliberation did take place, and deletion appeared to me and others to be a reasonable solution to the situation. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 05:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Of course there's nothing wrong with prodding such an article. And there was a prod tag. There's no good reason to IAR delete in such a circumstance unless there's some sort of time sensitive concern. There was no claim being made that Alder wanted this deleted ASAP or anything like that. I'm frankly disturbed by the notion that you think that it should be at all acceptable to IAR delete such articles given that we've had multiple cases where people have attempted to do that and been rejected at DRV. Deletion without discussion is inherently less transparent. Among other problems, deletions do not show up on watchlists. Consensus cannot be built on admins making decisions that others do not get a chance to contest because they aren't aware of them. As to the example sources one obvious one is this article which was linked in a prior version of the article. This is precisely the sort of situation where we would have lost almost nothing by going through a full AfD or waiting for the prod to expire. JoshuaZ (talk) 15:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Potential problem

I've just been suspended from school, possibly for 9 days with a district hearing, so I may be inactive for quite a bit until this get's straightened out. If urgent, contact by email. --Tyler | Talk - Contributions | 00:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh. Best of luck with all that, then. Hope to hear back from you soon. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Vandal email

I have no idea why or how since email is disabled but [5] has just now flooded my email inbox. Maybe the block didn't stick or something. Could you check it? I am going to disable my email temporarily to clean up the mess.— Ѕandahl ♥ 02:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I got the same crap. Email is disabled through the block interface - one of the check boxes is "Prevent user from sending e-mail". I've already set it for that account, so the emails you received were probably sent before then. Should you happen to come across any grawp socks, be sure to set that option, as well as disable talk page access. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

BLP issues

The WP:BLP violation is in this edit, I examined the sources used, and it appears that user is synthesizing and misrepresenting the material in order to connect Obama with Odinga, the one source that actually made the connection does not appear to be a reliable source sufficient to meet WP:BLP; and to top it off, the user was edit warring to keep the contentious material in the article, all of which violates Wikipedia:BLP#Remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material. I'm also concerned with edits like these: [6][7]. If you've had sufficient discussion with the user to satisfy you, I certainly trust your judgment for an unblock and won't protest your doing so. You may want to encourage the user to create an account as well. Thanks for checking with me! Dreadstar † 21:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I hadn't realized that. His argument for the disruptive requests was that he was "frustrated" which I didn't accept at all at first (you'll notice I rollbacked that last one). If his suggestions are a violation of WP:SYN, he'll probably be told that on the talk page pretty quickly - I'm going to try and ask the main user who was reverting him to stop in and participate in that discussion as well. And if it doesn't work out, I'll reblock him. Thanks for explaining that to me, I didn't catch on it earlier. Again, you're more than welcome to review the discussion yourself if you'd like. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Adoptin Courses

Hi! I just wanted to ask if I can use your adoption courses for my (future) adoptees, since I see the backlog at WP:ADOPT. Just wanna help out. Leujohn ^(talk) 10:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Of course; you wouldn't be the first to do so. If you happen to notice any errors or typos in them, please feel free to correct them, just let me know so I'm aware of the change. Keep in mind also that some of my lessons are written from my point of view directed towards my adoptees, so you may need to save a local copy for your use that corrects these bits. As I'm sure you've noticed, you can find the full list here. I hope you find them useful! Let me know if you have any trouble with them, and good luck with your newbies! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Arbcom Election - Questions

Hi. I've posted the remaining General Questions to your Questions for the Candidate page, and formatted the headings to match what you already had posted. With these, and the existing questions, you now have the entire list. Good luck with your candidacy, UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 14:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh goody, more questions to answer. :-) Thanks, Ultra. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Broken template help please

Resolved

 – thanks

Hi oh wizard of all things templates. Quick question for you. I noticed when I added the museums userbox to my userpage, it added me into the templates cat. I'm pretty sure that isn't meant to happen, but I'm not sure what's broken. When/if you have a moment, can you peek at it? Thanks! StarM 15:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I took the liberty of fixing this. MSGJ 15:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm useless at templates so I figured I broke something. Your fix looks simple, but I'd have had no idea what to do. Thanks again! StarM 17:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok... you lot have fun then. :-) StarM, the problem was someone forgot to put the category inside the "noinclude" tags; those tags tell the software to ignore anything between those tags when transcluding the page. There's more information on it here if you care enough. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, forgot to peek back once I'd marked it "resolved". Thanks for the explanation and link, Hersfold, I'll have a look at your information since I clearly didn't retain it that well last time. oops! StarM 12:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

My Copyright Permissions

Hi Hersfold, only just noticed your post on my talk page, sorry for the delay. I am trying to solve the problem. I sent the following e-mail to permissions-en-l AT lists DOT wikimedi DOT org, but it bounced, but it went through to permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org

I sent the E-maill through my website account to verify the source somewhat. I am hoping this will fix the problem. The four image file pages mentioned have been removed, let's hope we get this fixed before the lot disappears. Cheers Bill.

To whom it may concern, My name is Bill (William Richard) Bradley.

I am to sole owner and copyright owner of all the material contained on the website http://www.builderbill-diy-help.com (except where noted on the site as being from elsewhere). This includes all the photographs on the site, I have taken them all myself (except where noted on the site as being from elsewhere, usually Wikipedia)

I am also a Wikipedia contributor. User:billbeee. Every image that I have uploaded to Wikipedia from my website and elsewhere is given under the terms stated, as free of copyright.

The reason that I have copyright notices on the site is a precaution against people stealing large sections of content and it's use on blatantly commercial sites without any reference to me as the author.

In general you will see that my site is built in the same spirit as Wikipedia itself, I give out free information.

For all you guys in the background, doing the nuts and bolts stuff to make Wikipedia and Wikimedi the great resources that they are, "good onya mates, keep up the good work!"

Cheers Bill. billbeee (talk) 21:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

That should help - it may take some time to get the email filed properly, but once the OTRS volunteers see it, and verify that there are no problems, they will restore any deleted content that falls under those terms. They may have some further questions for you, so keep checking your email just in case. Best of luck. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

User:Nangparbat

Hi. You seem to have been involved in the blocking of same. I've blocked a few of the many IP socks - see my current talk. I'd like to inquire about the "vandal" designation. Certainly his opponents have labelled him that, but all I've seen is persistent changing of India to Indian-adminstered (or the other way round, I forget). I don't think this is vandalism (though I agree the persistence and lack of talk deserves a block). The solution, I would have hoped, would be for the India/Kashmiri/whatever type folk to agree a naming policy. Your thoughts are invited William M. Connolley (talk) 09:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

As I understand it, Nangparbat is a persistent POV edit warrior who is very difficult to get to discuss things. Last I'd heard, someone was trying to work with him, but the continual IP shifts make discussion (and blocking) very difficult, and he has seemed quite belligerent in the few cases we were able to get some words in edgewise. I've given up blocking him, as it's a constant game of whack-a-mole due to his constantly dynamic IP network (see long list of IP addresses here), and I was beginning to share the same concerns you had, that this would be much better sorted out through other means. The difficulty then is getting Nangparbat to sit still long enough to talk, and his opponents to get to talk with him without starting a shouting match.

Aren't nationalistic disputes fun? :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Rollback Request

If you think I am ready for it, I would much appreciate it if you could regrant me access to rollback. It's been two weeks, and I won't misuse the tool.

Also, I actually read Help:Rollback#Rollback prior to reverting, and it said that it's polite to leave a message as to why you reverted someones edits. I did that, see the last post of User_talk:Parthian_Scribe#Sorry. There probably were better options such as the undo button, but since there were so many edits at the time, I feared getting into an edit conflict (as in when you try to save a page after someone else has already saved a page, not an edit war). Before you grant me rollback, and of course, if you chose to grant me rollback, I am curious to know how exactly it was that I misused rollback. It's not that I'm trying to be nosy, I just want to learn from my mistakes so that I can become a better editor :)

Anyway, I plan to use rollback to revert vandalism with Huggle. Thanks Parthian Scribe 16:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Now that I'm not getting edit conflicts out the wazoo.... As I'm pretty sure I already explained, rollback is intended for use with blatant vandalism only. The edits which led me to remove the tool from you could only be described as a content dispute. Even if leaving a note, it is inappropriate to use rollback, as that does not allow you to enter an edit summary for the benefit of other editors. It also marks the edit as minor, which if you're not reverting vandalism, it probably isn't. Edit conflicts are not a problem, as the undo button will often work for older revisions. If you get such a conflict, go back to the history and try again.

Anyway, in looking over your edits since the last request less than two weeks ago, I don't see any evidence of edit warring, but nor do I see much evidence of anti-vandalism work. I'll go ahead and give you the tool, since Huggle is good about finding only blatant stuff, but do use caution whenever using the tool manually. If you're not sure, use the undo button so you can leave a note. If you have further questions, do let me know. Happy editing. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Slemcal1

I'm willing to unblock him, just wanted to pass it by you first. See User talk:Slemcal1. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 04:17, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Its better not to unblock him/her because he keeps on making new accounts aside from Slemcal, Slemcal1 also created this account, Samsterzai which is now blocked and even if you unblocked him still he will not changed and still he will stil put fannish statements on Sam Concepcion, its better not to unblock him anymore. Its my opinion! Wynchard Bloom ^{contact me}_{My work} 04:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

It's our decision. We will consider the sockpuppetry and other behavior when we make it. Thank you, Wynchard... Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 05:38, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Its just fine, I only hope that Slemcal1 learned good things from you admins. And I Hope he will not do the things again, which made him blocked. Thankyou! Cheers! Wynchard Bloom ^{contact me}_{My work} 05:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

User:MacGyverMagic/Bootcamp

I'm trying to set up an adoption type program that teaches users how to create solid well-written articles. I've collected a list of possible tutors (FA and DYK creators, they are in the article writing trenches so to speak). I'd like to get some feedback before I start writing lessons in details. (Please copy your response on my talk page or use talk back. My watchlist is too crowded for me to notice your response here.) - Mgm|^(talk) 11:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea! I think a lot of users, even some of our more experienced ones, could benefit from this. I'm not the most prolific article writer myself, but let me know if you need any help with the lessons, I'll be happy to help out. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

• Well, it's not all about writing, it's also about gathering of references and how to spice up the article with templates, sounds and pictures (the finishing touches). I'm sure there's something you can contribute, but of course, it's up to you - it definitely takes time. I asked because I found your lessons well-written. :) - Mgm|^(talk) 21:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL

"Everyone stop for a moment and think. How many times have you seen a really close result such as this, or a really long debate such as this, NOT end up at DRV, regardless of the result? Whichever way this closed, someone would have brought it here. No, stop, actually think about it. Yes, there you go, now the light has turned on..." Come on, man. You don't have to be so condescending. I'd expect more from an admin. Reasonable people can disagree on almost anything. Your point is valid and I agree with it, but the way it was written is simply going to turn people off. — BQZip01 — ^talk 16:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to be uncivil, and I'm sorry if I came across that way. I do have a bit of a bad habit of getting somewhat sarcastic when I get tired, and it was rather late when I posted that. I'll try to keep an eye on it in the future. Thanks for bringing it up with me. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

We're cool, man. — BQZip01 — ^talk 20:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

ArbCom questions

Hi. I'm Ral315, editor of the Wikipedia Signpost. We're interviewing all ArbCom candidates for an article this week, and your response is requested.

1. What positions do you hold (adminship, mediation, etc.), on this or other wikis?

2. Have you been involved in any arbitration cases? In what capacity?

3. Why are you running for the Arbitration Committee?

4. How do you feel the Arbitration Committee has handled cases and other situations over the last year? Can you provide an examples of situations where you feel the Committee handled a situation exceptionally well, and why? Any you feel they handled poorly, and why?

5. What is your opinion on confidentiality? If evidence is submitted privately to the Committee, would you share it with other parties in the case? Would you make a decision based on confidential information without making it public?

6. Why do you think users should vote for you?

Please respond on my talk page. We'll probably go to press on Tuesday, but late responses will be added as they're submitted. Thanks, Ral315 (talk) 10:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, due to time constraints off-wiki, I've decided I need to withdraw from the election. Thank you for the interview offer, but I don't really have the time to spare for the election or (if I were to be elected) the Arbitration Committee. I'll leave a detailed reasoning on my candidate talk page that you're welcome to quote in lieu of my responses to the questions. Thanks again, and best of luck with the Signpost. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Signpost updated for November 17, 2008 and before.

Because the Signpost hasn't been sent in a while, to save space, I've condensed all seven issues that were not sent into this archive. Only the three issues from November are below.

The Wikipedia Signpost Weekly Delivery

Volume 4, Issue 42	8 November 2008	About the Signpost

From the editor
News and notes: The Price is Right, milestones	Dispatches: Halloween Main Page contest generates new article content
Features and admins	Bugs, Repairs, and Internal Operational News
The Report on Lengthy Litigation

Volume 4, Issue 43	10 November 2008	About the Signpost

Fundraiser opens: Over $500,000 raised in first week	ArbCom elections: Nominations open
Book review: How Wikipedia Works	MediaWiki search engine improved
Four Board resolutions, including financials, approved	News and notes: Vietnamese Wiki Day
Dispatches: Historic election proves groundbreaking on the Main Page	Features and admins
Bugs, Repairs, and Internal Operational News	The Report on Lengthy Litigation

Volume 4, Issue 44	17 November 2008	About the Signpost

Lawsuit briefly shuts down Wikipedia.de	GFDL 1.3 released, will allow Wikimedia migration to Creative Commons license
Wikimedia Events Roundup	News and notes: Fundraiser, List Summary Service, milestones
Features and admins	Bugs, Repairs, and Internal Operational News
The Report on Lengthy Litigation

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ACE

Hi Hersfold. Sorry to see that you've withdrawn from the elections due to work and ill health. Hope you feel better soon and that it isn't anything too bad! ~~ [ジャム]^[talk] 09:40, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I want to echo the same thing. I am quite sad to see you withdraw from the election, though it is quite understandable. I hope life quiets down reasonably soon and treats you well. I also hope to see you run for ArbCom next year. Be well! Vassyana (talk) 11:13, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thrice. I was sad to see you withdraw. Please take care! Gwen Gale (talk) 15:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, all. The health problems actually aren't that bad, only an ear infection, but it is regardless quite distracting and is making classes difficult as I can't hear out of my right ear. The classwork, however, always seems to be due all at once. :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:11, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see you withdraw as well. Get well soon, and keep up the good work on wiki when you have the time again! KTC (talk) 05:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about your ear infection. I hope you feel better soon. Take as long as a break that you need. We will all do our part in the meantime as some extra helping hands. -BlueCaper (talk) 20:12, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Your Userpage

I am just wondering how I could make a page like yours. It seems pretty cool. Please respond on my talk page. Carabera (talk) 17:24, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't been around for some time, which was why I never responded to this. I notice that your userpage is fairly well laid out, though - do you still need help with it? Happy editing! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!

		Happy Thanksgiving!
		MISTER ALCOHOL T C wishes you a Happy Thanksgiving! Hopefully this one has made your Thanksgiving Day better. Cheers, and Happy editing! -- MISTER ALCOHOL T C 05:51, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

About Image:BlueCaper.svg

I uploaded as a refurnishing of my PNG logo, and I don't know any Wikimedia Commons admins, so, could you please tag it for deletion? It does not show on either Commons or 'Pedia. I tried right-clicking the picture and clicking "Show Picture," but it did not show. Since you may be busy, I will contact two other administrators to ensure that the SVG file, not the PNG file, is deleted. Thanks, and happy Thanksgiving! -BlueCaper (talk) 12:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

•  Done--Matilda ^talk 19:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Matilda! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Request

Hi! I was trying to archive my talkpage and moved my talkpage while doing so. Can you revert my move and restore my talk page's edit history. Sorry for the trouble. Regards, --KnowledgeHegemony ^talk 13:59, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done--KnowledgeHegemony ^talk 07:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)