User talk:Ebyabe/Archive 3

WP:NRHP

Have to sit back in awe at the tons of work you've put into Florida and the NRHP project! Just wanted to drop by an' say hullo scorpio, and thanks for doing the leg work on the assessment thang, as we've completely mirrored the format on WikiProject Architecture. By the way, what are the official-like channels for booting up the assesment counter bots? As you, I went bold an just done it, w/o much clearance from the establishment, typically. Is it Oleg Alexandrov who I should ask to get the counter added to the list of bot tasks? Oh, geez, before I finished this message I see that the update got generated by the bot already. But still, who to contact for official participation? We're going to add the importance variable too, just to be complicated. Thanks —Dogears (talk • contribs) 05:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you, a thousand times thank you. It started with fixing up Portal:Florida, and I've not looked back since. :) Think it is in part due to the Scorpio perfectionism; both a curse and a blessing. Plus it's nice to get a positive comment, as the last few have been about goofs I've done. But then, you learn from your mistakes. Which means I should be a mega-genius by now, huh? *lol*

I love the new assessment thing! Thanks for adding it; didn't even know that existed! I am a big proponent of the It is easier to get forgiveness than permission philosophy. But you did take away some of my fun, 'cause I liked doing it manually. Did I mention how OCD I am? :)

Dunno who to ask on what you asked. Sounds like you have a much better idea than I do. Go ahead and ask, what's the worst that could happen? *doh!*

I was taking an NRHP vacation lately, and categorizing uncategorized stubs. Now I'm back (mostly) to tagging talk pages with our project tag. AWB makes that so much easier.

Later, and have a good weekend! -Ebyabe 14:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Idaho template

Just a heads-up that the category I created for the articles in the template has been nominated for deletion. Since you created the Idaho template, I thought you might want to weigh in. MisfitToys 23:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For your work on the Miami Wikiproject. Squamate 16:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

• I second that reward, thanks for the cleanup help. CodeCarpenter 15:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Y'all are quite welcome. It's partly killing two birds, since I can fix some Miami NRHP articles whilst I'm at it. --Ebyabe 15:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, by the way....

I saw Frank Herbert on your list, not sure if you knew that the Dune series has been continued. Essentially, the son found the notes to a seventh novel, and converted that into 6 prequels, and two or more sequels.

Also, I saw that Frank Turtledove was not on your list. Might be a wise choice. He is a good writer, but he drags all his stuff into series now, with no ending in sight. However, his Alternate Generals series stand on their own... CodeCarpenter 15:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

• Somehow the new Dune books don't grab me. The continuation of the Foundation series either, for that matter. Oh, and I think you mean Harry Turtledove. I like alternate histories, but not much into the military stuff (though I have friends who are re-enactors of various wars). I'm so behind on my reading, like I need more books to read. *lol* Thanks for the recs, though! :) --Ebyabe 15:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

California WikiProject assessments

I want to thank you for also doing the California WP assessments at the same time that you are doing the National Register of Historic Places WikiProject assessment (like you did at Talk:Balboa Pavilion). There is one thing I would greatly appreciate you doing, if you could. For any articles, like the Balboa Pavilion ariticle, that are for a topic in Southern California, could you change the template from {{WikiProject California}} to {{WikiProject Southern California}}. ^BlankVerse 12:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. When I initially add the NRHP banner to a talk page, I've been trying to add all other appropriate project banners as well. I'm about done with the assessments for the California articles, but I can see if there's any to change to SoCal. I'm from Florida, so I'll have to research as to which to change, but that's what Wikipedia's about, learning new things, huh?  ;) -Ebyabe 13:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Probably 85% of the SoCal articles are in LA, Orange, or San Diego Counties, so even if you just catch some of the articles in those counties it would help. I don't know what list that you are using, but I know there is one list of the California historic sites that is listed by county (look at the list of lists at WP:CAL-L).

I've also been trying to add some banners for other WikiProjects as I do assessments for California and Southern California. The big problem, however, is that there is absolutely NO standard for naming the banners (at least with stubs, if you know the basics for the stub naming scheme you can usually guess at their names). So that means that I usually end up going through the various lists of WikiProjects (which used to be on one very long page, which made loading slow, but made finding the WikiProjects much easier). I've only ended up memorizing one of the banners, {{WPSchools}} for WP:SCH.

(The other advantange of stubs is that there are ones that cover every article that you might write or run across. I've had a couple of times where I've thought there should be a WikiProject on a particular topic, but there isn't one yet [or the WP's been inactive since it was created two years ago].) ^BlankVerse 06:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I hear you. I'm going by the list of Registered Historic Places in California. Also doing cleanup there where I find it. Like, there was a redlink for Leadfield, when it turns out there's an article for it under Leadfield, California, so corrected on the list page. The redlink cleanup on all the relevant lists is a bear, but it's gotta be done, ya know?

Anyway, the banner adds started, for me, when I was stubbing the list of Registered Historic Places in Florida. When I started on the overall NRHP project, it was even worse. I tried to keep a list of related WikiProject banners handy (in Excel, which I use obsessively). There's also a version of it at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Talk pages. If in doubt, I recently discovered an all-purpose template, which can be used for WikiProjects that don't have their own custom template. It's {{WikiProjectNotice}}. Hope all this yammering helps! :) --Ebyabe 01:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Bannerman Plantation

Noticed you were editing B.P. right after I uploaded photos. Are you mostly interested in editing articles or in Florida/Leon County history? Noles1984 17:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Florida history and parks, which got me started on the whole NRHP thing. I stubbed the Florida ones that hadn't been done, and watch pretty much all of them. Also have a long range goal to photograph all of them too. I want to get back to your neck of the woods this year, to take pix of more Panhandle places. I had to bypass Tally on my last trip.

I saw that the plantation needed a minor correction, so done so. Now returning to my WikiGnome wanderings...  :) --Ebyabe 17:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Btw, even though I lived in Gainesville until recently (for over twenty years), I had (and have) several great friends in Tallahassee. The Mickey Faust-keteers are some of my faves. Also have more respect for FSU as an academic institution then, you know, the other place.  ;) --Ebyabe 01:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

RMS Queen Mary

Hello. The template for ship infobox works fine for naval ships, but not for commercial vessels. This is because only naval ships use displacement as a measurement; for passenger ships tonnage is used, and for commercial vessels other tonnage measurements are used. These tonnage measurements are not the same thing as displacement. The template does not allow for modification to convert the displacement field to tonnage. So where this template has been used, either gross tonnage is not reported, or else the gt figure is erroneously inserted in the displacement field, which is completely erroneous.

So until the template itself is modified for use for commercial ships, it should not be used. Kablammo 20:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

(Incidentally, I don't know where the displacement figure came from in the original table-- QM's grt and displacement were both in the range of ~80,000, but more recently ships have tonnage ratings over twice their displacements. But the basic problem with the template is that displacements of liners are not reported, such ships are not rated that way, and a template which has no place for gt is not of much use to obtain sizes of passenger ships.) Kablammo 20:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Apologies. I reverted it back. I'm glad you caught me now, b/c I was thinking of changing a whole bunch of others. But you got to me in time.  :)

Has anyone thought of just making another infobox for commercial vessels? I'd do it, but I'm not familiar enough on the subject. Willing to help out, though. --Ebyabe 20:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt action. Some time ago I tried to interest the ships project into doing a template for passenger ships-- there were no takers, and I too don't have the skills. I agree that the military template is easier to read. Regards. Kablammo 20:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC) If you have the computer skills however, perhaps we could get a few of the ships editors to suggest fields. There are a couple of marine architects who edit the pages who might be willing to help. Kablammo 20:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, designing it wouldn't be a problem, now that I think of it. I can do what I've done before, "borrow" the design of something that works, then adapt it. Cthulhu knows I've done enough other infoboxes and templates and such that way. Gimme a few mo's. --Ebyabe 20:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

If you can set up a page where the template appears and a talk page for it, I'll post messages on talk pages of a few other editors to ask them to participate. Kablammo 20:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Commercial Ship. There we go. This can be altered or added to or subtracted from to everyone's heart's content. Put in a tonnage and a height field. Prolly should remove more of the military stuff, but wiser heads, and all that. One of my mottoes (I've said it before), "Talent borrows, genius steals." So why ain't I not smarterer?  ;) --Ebyabe 20:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Can we lose a lot of the talk page? It might be confusing to particpants, to have to go through a lot of navy ship stuff. Thanks. Kablammo 21:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Template talk:National Register Of Historic Places Map

I knew you'd like it. Just stolling around and I came across the template, readymade. Like the discussion above - simply adapted it to use for the project - no time at all! It appears on the top of the List of National Register of Historic Places entries for now, inserted like any template (but really can't be used many places - and doesn't have Guam, etc). But its cool. Do the name of the states fit into the state borders corectly on your browser/computer?

Is it easy to use the AWBrowser? I see you railroaded your way through all those assessments pretty quickly. Does it allow you to determine the assessment before quickly adding the Project banner to the talk page? Have a great new year! — 14:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Aha, you used my method; find something that works, borrow it and tweak it. :) Everything seems to fit fine. I checked the 800x600 resolution, and back to my regular 1152x864, and looks OK.

AWB is a godsend; I wish I'd discovered it months ago! I don't think it's hard at all, and I think everyone should have it. Sounds like you'd not have problems using it, definitely. You just have to register first, but that info's all available at the AWB page. Mind you, I have to do some juggling between Notepad and Excel (two of my favorite tools) to get things the way I want in AWB. But now that I've worked out the methodology, it's not that bad. I did do all the "easy" states first though. That is, the ones where the lists where pretty much on one page. If you decide to get AWB, I'd be happy to give my secrets on how to wring the most use out of the thing.

Btw, see you've been fixing the Mass. toc tables I did. Hope you copied out into Notepad and just did a search-and-replace removal, 'cause it's so much easier that way, doncha know.  ;) Great new year back atcha! --Ebyabe 18:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, minor concern, the dots. How where those determined? I'm just worried that more folks will want to have dots indicating stuff in their state, and the map will start to look like it has a case of multi-colored measles. As I said, minor, but I'd rather figure that out now, whilst we've just started using it. :) --Ebyabe 18:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The dots were in the template before it was "customized" for the project. If people can figure out how to adapt state maps, that might be more appropriate than filling this map full of holes.

There is an extended text clipboard on my mac at home, but AWB is PC only so i'll have to do as you suggest and use wordpad to store the tags to cut and paste. Thanks. What other tips you have would be gratefully appreciated. 12,000+ edits! —Dogears 04:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Tech Tower

This is kind of picky... but I didn't think that Tech Tower was a part of the National Register of Historic Places. Is there some way to verify that it is, or does Georgia Institute of Technology Historic District being on the list automatically include Tech Tower? —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 03:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hold up, lemme check. --Ebyabe 03:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Of course the NRIS database would be down, wouldn't it? I checked the other NRHP site, and it doesn't seem to be on there. Is it in De Kalb or Fulton county? I looked at both and didn't see it off-hand under Tech Tower or the Lettie Pate name. When the NRIS database is back up, it can be checked more thoroughly.

I've been breezing thru with AWB, tagging talk pages with the NRHP project banner that have Registered Historic Places in (fill-in-the-state) as a category. I know, some may be erroneously labelled, but those can be fixed when we go thru and assess. And folks like you will catch some, too, doncha know.  :)

I live in Florida, btw, so we're practically neighbors, cosmically speaking. Oh, sidebar, why ain't there a WikiProject Georgia? There's a template ready for it. Or a WikiProject Atlanta, for that matter. Just sayin'... Peace out ;) --Ebyabe 03:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Georgia Tech (and therefore Tech Tower) is in Fulton County, Georgia. It's interesting that there's a template for WP:Georgia but no WP:Georgia. I tend to keep to my own wikiproject. Also, what part of Florida? I think I've read that Chicago, Illinois is closer to Pensacola, Florida by car than the cities in South Florida. Anyway, good work on the historic places. I'm sure you'll have figured out whether or not Tech Tower is one by this time tomorrow. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 03:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Born and raised in Miami, lived for a couple of decades in Gainesville, now living in Ocala. Want to get pix of all the historic places in the state. Crazy, but I can dream, can't I? And now it's time to bed, so night. :) --Ebyabe 03:48, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

It's roughly "this time tomorrow," have any news? :p —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 07:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. Please to see the article for more info. :) --Ebyabe 16:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Evans-in-cellular.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:Evans-in-cellular.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BigDT 03:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

That's OK, I've given up on the celebrity pictures thing. Delete 'em all, don't matter to me, I've moved on to other stuff, doncha know. --Ebyabe 04:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Help

Got my authorization to use AWB and now despirately need help trying to figure out how to do assessment with the tool. Did you open the article with your browser (to make the assessment), and then use AWB to tag the talk page?? Thank you eBay-bE :) --Dogears (talk • contribs) 19:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, there's a couple of ways I went about it. Are you sitting comfortably? Then let's begin.

You need to have it set to show as preview, not show changes for these to work. Method 1 is pulling the list of unassessed articles by category. Then in the preview window, go to the top and left click the "article" link whilst holding down the shift key. This opens the article up in a new window (I actually discovered this accidentally, b/c right clicking doesn't work at all) (or the other way around, but I think I'm remembering correctly). Then you can look at it, and use AWB to enter the rating. I usually put in "assess" for the reason.

Method 2 is more complicated, and entails saving the list you create. I then open the file, copy it into Excel. I search-and-replace away the "Talk:" part. I have a tab which I use to then arrange the articles with their talk pages. Like it would be "Brooklyn Bridge", then "Talk:Brooklyn Bridge", etc. I copy back that new list into the text file where I got the info from in the first place. Then I use it to make a new list in AWB, using the making-a-list-from-a-text-file option. So I review an article and figure what to rate it, hit "Ignore", then the talk page pops up next and I rate it. And so on.

It's actually a bit more tricksy than that, but I prefer the latter method so I don't have to do the left clicking all the time. Especially with lists that have dozens of entries, your clicking finger gets sore real fast. I can send you the part of the Excel file I use to do this, with better instructions, if it'll help.

I'm almost done tagging all the NRHP articles. Well, what I did is compile a list of all the articles with "Registered Historic Places in statename" in the states I haven't checked yet, and used that to create another file I'm using to tag all the articles. I'm down to the last 400, and should be done with that by the weekend. Then it'll be continuing to each state, and finding ones that don't have the category, but do have articles. I've done the easy, all-on-one-page-links states, now it's the ones with sections and branches (Georgia, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, etc.) Only 28 to go (including DC).

I have a feeling the database part of AWB would make this easier, but I never could figure it out, so I've gone with what I know.

And you are the first person to figure out the meaning of the name without me having to explain it! I'm all about the the backwords words and the anagrams. Always annoyed when an SF alien race is a backwords word; it's such a copout. Though the Retlaw plant in that animated Star Trek episode was amusing, 'cause of who wrote it. I'm surprised it wasn't of the genus Gineok. ;) -Ebyabe 20:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

"Now let's begin"... you crack me up (needed that, today). Thanks for the primo explanation and offering up your genius method. I would be grateful for the excel formula that will interlace the list of articles with the list of talk:s. By the way, there is a function in the (pull-down) list menu on the AWB toolbar that will automatically turn the list of talk pages you've retrieved into a list of articles (or versa vise). But the trick is the interlacing, talk/article, next talk/next article - created from 2 text files and collated into another file. Into the Tardis and out the other side perhaps? Tangled in a tesseract? I bet I can make a little wiki program to do this, hmmm.

Was happy to see before that you're into scifi. My first read was A Wrinkle in Time (naturally) then I watched 2001 in a movie theater as a wee lad (ohmygod!). Later, Flatland became a favorite, Bradbury, Jules Verne, Asimov and then the library of a friend crammed full of Heinlein, Pohl, Van Vogt, Gibson, Alfred Bester, Silverberg - I tend to like the older stuff, even if it's oh so cold war. And you know, I'm never happier than with a good SF page turner. What's your favorite books (or episodes)?

I'm trying to find the author's name of one of my favorite ever stories, perhaps you know? The story is (great) about teletransportation. The guy has to physically visit the room or place where he is going to "jump" to (to visualize the locale), then he goes back at midnight and robs the bank, etc, &tc. The word Jump might be in the title of the paperback, maybe. Any ideas (baybe)? :) Cyphers and anagrams are the best… earth <=> heart. — ≈ (talk) —01:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I like to think I have a gift for the apt phrase. Since tone doesn't always come through in text, I try to inject as much humor as I can. And if I can bring a bit of amusement to folks, I feel it's a day well spent. While I'm thinking, another cheat I discovered accidently. CTRL-S acts as a save, just like it does in Word and Excel and such. But the cursor has to be in the text box where you type the changes. Still, saves having to click on that stupid save button all the time. Of course, CTRL-I doesn't function like the ignore button, but you can't have everything.

For the formula to work the way I've got it, here goes:

Cell A1

1. Salem Maritime National Historic Site

Cell B1

1. Talk:Salem Maritime National Historic Site

Cell C1

=A1&"

"&B1

The formula doesn't show quite right. What it is, is:

1. equal sign
2. cell address where the article's main page link is
3. and sign (ampersand) followed by a double quote mark
4. a carriage return (inside the cell, that's what doesn't show well)
5. a double quote mark followed by the and sign (ampersand)
6. cell address where the article's talk page link is

Then copy the formula down a ways (I do about fifty rows, but use whatever you need). Copy that last column of formatted entries, and paste into Wordpad. Then copy what's in Wordpad, and paste it into the original text file in Notepad. If you try copying directly from Excel to Notepad, it's all icky. Try it and you'll see what I mean. There's probably a neater way to do this, but I made this as a simple quick-and-dirty thing just for me, and haven't gotten around to prettying it up.

I noticed the convert options on that pulldown menu, but didn't think to try them. Thought I might break something.

A fellow sf-er! Ok, three favorite books. These are the only ones of which have spare lender copies, b/c when I lend them out, somehow the lenders lend them to someone else, who lends it on, and so on. But the more that read them, the better. They are Good Omens, The Anubis Gates, and And the Devil Will Drag You Under by Jack L. Chalker. I have a semi-exhaustive list of my interests on my main talk page, which is the point of user pages, ain't it? :)

TV - Doctor Who, obviously. I so want to see Torchwood. Captain Jack, mmmm. Gilmore Girls, for the writing, and the great people they get to say it. Again, it's all on my user page.

That story sounds like something by A. E. van Vogt or possibly Clifford D. Simak. Or maybe not; I just checked my Excel file with all my books, and not a single one do I have with "Jump" in the title. Did I mention I'd marry Excel if I could? *lol* -Ebyabe 04:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Elegant and beautiful! Question is, how do you get excel to swallow to carriage return inside a cell, when that usually moves you to the next cell? In other words, what special character goes between the quotes to produce 2 lines or 2 cells? or do you do that later in a text editor? --Dogears 14:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• • That's me! I'm humble yet lovable too. The carriage return's easy; hold the ALT key when you hit ENTER. But only when you're entering text into a cell; otherwise you close the spreadsheet. But look at the next entry on this page (Unassessed NRHP articles links for AWB) for why that's all unnecessary.  :) -Ebyabe 14:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)