Dgoldman0

April 2024

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Recognition of same-sex unions in Israel. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 01:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

It is correct to say that I am involved in an edit war, but not "engaging in" one. The reality is that I have been trying to ensure that only that which can be agreed upon more generally is included in the article. You can also see from the talk page that I contributed significantly there. We must avoid language which can lead to significant contestation based on vague language. I did also request page protection, though not sure if I did it correctly. Dgoldman0 (talk) 10:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I have reverted it to the last consensus point. To revert to a version prior to that would mean reintroducing a clear contradiction between the first and second paragraphs which should be deemed unacceptable. Dgoldman0 (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

3RR warning

I see you've already been warned about this, for this very article, so I won't add another 3RR tag. I'll give you some time to revert yourself. If you don't, I'll request to have you blocked from editing Wikipedia. — kwami (talk) 12:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I have been attempting to reach consensus this entire time. As stated in my most recently reply, I have added even more to justify the current edits, or we can move back to the most recent consensus point which is with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Israel&oldid=1216523018

It is improper to return to a previous consensus point. You are violating consensus by doing so. Dgoldman0 (talk) 12:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

You reach consensus first. Then you make the edit. You don't fight over them, insisting that you're right and others are wrong, while 'trying' to reach consensus.

I reverted to the stable version of the article before you started your war. That's entirely proper. If there's a later consensus, ask one of the others involved and they can restore it to that point. I'm not going to trust your judgement on that: Accusing others of your behaviour, as you do repeatedly, is characteristic of acting in bad faith.

Anyway, I'm going to sleep. I hope I find the article in better shape tomorrow, with the 'dispute' tag removed because you've realized that you need to share the sandbox. — kwami (talk) 13:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

You reach consensus first. Then you make the edit. You don't fight over them, insisting that you're right and others are wrong, while 'trying' to reach consensus.

Very good. Let's return to the consensus reached here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Israel&oldid=1216523018 Dgoldman0 (talk) 13:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

If that's what the others (one of whom requested help in dealing with you) will accept, then yes, that's fine. — kwami (talk) 13:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Let's hope so, because I have bent over backwards trying to reach a compromise where differences in interpretation are avoided. And that is clear from the talk page. I have suggested leaving it as "complex" because it is. I have suggested focusing on recognition over legality because that is the point of the very article. I have suggested the inclusion of the term "valid" as that is literally what source #1 says. I have made it clear that there is absolutely a question of whether teleservice officiation is performed "in" Israel. I have pointed out numerous ways in which the article contradicts itself by leaving "not legal" or "not recognized" stand.

"Same-sex marriage is not legal in Israel... In July 2022, the Central District Court ruled that marriages performed in Israel under an online civil marriage service established by the U.S. state of Utah, including same-sex marriages, are legal in Israel."

Do you not see that paragraph one and paragraph two, in the original version, stand in direct contradiction of each other? Dgoldman0 (talk) 13:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)