User talk:Crystallizedcarbon/Archive 8

Archive of 2021's comments on Crystallizedcarbon's talk page

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Trial of Catalonia Independence Leaders

Hey there!

I saw you edited the page to remove my contribution. Perhaps it was a bit too long.

What would you say about me making it shorter and trying it back on the page?

Best,

A. --Beauseja (talk) 12:40, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Beauseja: Sorry, but in this case, the issue is not the length, but rather the notability of the information. The information you added does not seem to have received coverage by multiple reliable sources and even the group itself does not seem very notable either. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 15:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Notice of neutral point of view noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

VV post

If you wish to discuss the factual post with multiple references then please reach out before modifying the “legal matters” section again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OdinNeith (talk • contribs) 00:26, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello @OdinNeith: As I explained to you at Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Requesting_assistance_at_Vineyard_Vines, it is you that made a bold edit by adding the legal matters section. I reverted it because of various issues regarding our policies including WP:UNDUE and WP:ONUS. It is you who must follow Bold, Revert, Discuss. Your edit has been reverted so you must discuss and reach a consensus within the talk page. Please stop edit warring. As I have repeatedly explained to you in the edit summaries, your talk page and most recently at the noticeboard: When we make a bold edit and it gets reverted, the course of action is to discuss in the talk page and reach a consensus before adding back the contentious content, not to edit war by continue to add it back. Some of the content you added might be notable enough to be included in the article, but this is a collaborative project. The way forward is to debate first and once consensus is reached then the changes can be introduced. It is not correct to just to keep adding what you think is right, disregarding other editors. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 08:54, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

You did not respond to my message. What is in violation? Discuss but don’t take down factual and properly referenced content. If you are being paid to do this by a company you must disclose that. Are you? OdinNeith (talk) 12:09, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@OdinNeith: Do you actually read my comments? I have repeatedly told you the reasons why I removed your content. Part of it has issues with WP:BLPCRIME and the other with WP:UNDUE. Please carefully read those and afterwards if you still feel that you want to include any part of that content then feel make your arguments on the talk page of the article to try to reach a consensus with other editors. That is the usual process here per WP:BRD. For your information I am not paid to do this by any company. I removed the content for the concerns above. Not everything that can be refereced should be included in an encyclopedic article. If we were to include a section in the project's articles every time somebody sues a company regardless of in-depth coverage or if they are convicted articles would be flooded. Please also read WP:AGF, I could ask you if you are involved in any of those legal process with WP:Routine coverage you are so adamant of including despite the thin coverage. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:20, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@Crystallizedcarbon: no affiliation with legal or company. your reasoning is quite thin, in a debate it’s best to reference the section or citation and then explain exactly why the content is in violation. Let me give example, the speed limit is 80 mph, you are getting a speeding ticket. That is an incomplete and erroneous claim. All of the content posted is factual, relevant to the company, public info, in accordance with all wiki guideline and equivalent to like sections on hundreds if not thousand of equivalent company related wiki pages. So give good reason to not revert changes, or changes will be reverted. I also would like to escalate to a wiki admin.— Preceding unsigned comment added by OdinNeith (talk • contribs) 16:28, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@OdinNeith: I am really glad that for the first time you finally posted to the talk page of the article without continue to edit war. I assume that despite all my requests you still have not read WP:NOTNEWS, WP:UNDUE or WP:ONUS. I will be happy to discuss with you at the articles talk page were I can explain in detail our policies. I hope we can reach a consensus. My advice to you is that you present you arguments there, If I were in your shoes I would not recommend to "escalate" before doing that, your options for getting admins involved would be to contact one directly or better yet to state your request at one of the Wikipedia:Noticeboards, but as I said before, you should not do so until you have exhausted the possibility to reach a consensus at the talk page. If that fails the next step I would recommend, would be for you to follow the advice at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Lets continue at the article's talk page. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 19:49, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I don’t think you are familiar with the sections you are referencing. You have offered no factual reason why the content should be excluded OdinNeith (talk) 20:21, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

@OdinNeith: Sorry but I don't understand what you are saying. Me and others have given you reasons based in our policies. What sections do you claim I'm not familiar with? --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

That’s concerning, because it a straight forward statement — Preceding unsigned comment added by OdinNeith (talk • contribs) 19:23, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

@OdinNeith: What sections are you referring to? I explained to you why not all referenced content should be included in an article. Did you understand my arguments? did you read our policies? why don't you answer my questions? --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 11:22, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Raffey Cassidy

Hi @Crystallizedcarbon: Please don't add that Youtube video back in. It is entirely unsuitable to be used as a reference to establish her birthday, and it comes up red in the script, meaning it is a low-quality reference, and will always be removed by other editors for the same reason, even if it not me, so why put it back in. Any other method that proves it, would be ideal. The only people who want to trawl through a video to establish the birthday are fans, so it doesn't really help the general audience of readers. I notice you haven't written a lot of articles, so perhaps you don't know, from experience. I don't think you would expect that to be accepted at GA if it was presented. They wouldn't accept it with video ref in the lede. It is just not done. scope_creep^Talk 18:21, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Scope creep: I believe you are mistaken in this case. Please review WP:RS. Specifically WP:PUBLISHED and WP:ABOUTSELF. To understand why a YouTube reference comes red in your script please review This RfC on YouTube and the Pernnial sources entry on YouTube where it clearly states that verified official accounts from news organization are valid. And even if you doubt the reliability of the Black Hollywood Live news channel, it also explicitly mentions WP:ABOUTSELF as a valid exception. It is the subject herself who confirms her own birthday in the video interview. You made a bold edit by removing that reference without providing a better one. I reverted it, if you disagree you must make your case at the talk page of the article. If you can not find a better source and you still disagree, please feel free to make a query at WP:RSN or present your arguments at the talk page, but please stop edit warring and follow WP:BRD. Thank you. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 10:52, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Rubina Bajwa

Dear @Crystallizedcarbon:, for the same reasons of reverting the edits of User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz on Gurbaksh Chahal's page, please revert the same disruptive edits for Rubina Bajwa as the subject matter and edits are related. Thank you. --61.238.106.82 (talk) 12:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Please look at the message I left for you at the talk page of Rubina Bajwa. Please remove the personal accusations against Hullaballoo Wolfowitz from your comment there and remember that assuming good faith is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia. Thank you. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 09:43, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you reviewed

Hello, Crystallizedcarbon

Thank you for creating Fenchuganj Mohammadia Kamil Madrasha.

User:CommanderWaterford, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Sorry, but seem to be a recently CSD G4 ...

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CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:22, 6 May 2021 (UTC) ... and have marked it as unreviewed. CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:22, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@CommanderWaterford: Thank you! I reviewed it but I did not create it (I guess it must be part of the template you used). I did not noticed that it had already been through AfD. It does clearly meet WP:G4. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 14:10, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

regarding ISHAAN SINGH MANHAS page/article

Hi, i have updated this article (Ishaan Singh Manhas) by adding 6 more References/Sources. Is there anything else i need to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theviju (talk • contribs) 02:29, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Theviju:: First, just a friendly reminder for you to sign your comments, you can do so either with this button on your menu: or by typing this code: --~~~~

Regarding the biography, you should, first of all, make sure that all the content of the article is referenced by independent reliable sources. Another editor has open an AfD (Article for deletion discussion). My advice to you would be to first find references for the information you added in the first paragraph of the career section, which is now unsourced. To avoid deletion you should establish that the subject has received in-depth coverage by multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. Once you have done that you should participate in the AfD for Ishaan Singh Manhas and mention the references you added and why you think they are enough to meet our general notability guideliness. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 05:59, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Gurbaksh Chahal

Hello, I noticed you have been active on the Gurbaksh Chahal page.

I noticed that the last edit made - shrunk the section breaks but then also made the domestic violence section, it's own. I thought that has been debated already, and belongs in the Personal Life section. Can you please take a look? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.215.163.73 (talk • contribs) 09:38, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

To me eliminating the subsection titles for each company makes sense. I restored the Domestic violence and conviction as a subsection of the personal life as I think that should be debated in talk first. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 11:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Crystallizedcarbon, appreciate you at least restored the subsection, as I followed the talk page and it's been debated already. Also, I've noticed a permanent lock on the page, is this something that can be lifted as that strongly diminishes the article to be edited outside of the pre-select group that have already made changes.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.238.106.82 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

No problem, but I am sorry that I can not help you with your request. For the same reason that I restored the status quo on the controversial subsection, I think that it would be a bad idea to lift the semi-protection of the page. There was a long and painfully edit war and many editors, including me, had to invest a lot of time. I personally don't think it is worth the risk. BTW, please remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes: --~~~~. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

June2021

Hi - responding here to your note on my talk page about the Rough sex murder defense. These edits pertain to a student assessment, which informed their edits and the section I removed. I left a brief summary in the edit explanation, but did not include more as I am currently marking assessments. Please note the removal was valid per various standards that were not followed. LisaGiocondo (talk) 17:40, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@LisaGiocondo: You are correct. I used a tool and I missed your edit summary. I have removed the note in your talk page. Apologies and best regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 21:07, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Seeking help with Vizio edit requests

Hello, I am a COI editor working for Vizio. I noticed that you are a member of Wikiprojects Brands and Electronics, so I thought you might like to help out with editing the Vizio page. If you go to Talk: Vizio, you will see my latest edit requests, that have so far only been partially implemented. The remaining requested edits are updates to keep the article relevant and are not controversial or promotional. If you agree my requests are helpful, I would be grateful if you could implement them according to the clear instructions in my request. Thank you so much. Jeremy885511 (talk) 15:44, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Jeremy885511: I see that you already asked another involved editor to review the requests. On a quick glance I did not see anything mayor so It does not seem urgent. I prefer to leave it on Kvng's and other involved editors hands. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 19:27, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Yes I asked Kvng but he doesn't appear to be involved anymore. I pinged him again to continue with the remainder of my request but he seems to have lost interest. I appreciate your help. Thanks so much. Jeremy885511 (talk) 20:02, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive

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Gurbaksh Chahal

The biannual attempt to white-wash the Burbaksh Chahal article has begun. If you would help me keep an eye on it, I would appreciate it. Chisme (talk) 17:40, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Chisme: Will do. Thanks for the heads up. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 19:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Crystallizedcarbon, looks like its happening on both sides. Since you have been keeping it the status quo, please restore the edits from the edits made (removal of awards, pictures, etc.). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.238.106.82 (talk • contribs) 07:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I will take a deeper look latter, what award or picture was removed? Please remember to sign your comments by adding --~~~~ at the end. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 07:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Crystallizedcarbon, have a look at all the changes made right now - they all have been designed to remove awards, pictures, content that have been part of the status quo for more than a year. If the person wants to make changes, they should go to talk page, like everyone - before outright making changes without consensus. Please restore these changes Crystallizedcarbon Crystallizedcarbon Faizal batliwala

·04:52, 17 July 2021 diff hist −2,028‎ Gurbaksh Chahal ‎ rm coronavirus material cited to opeds by Chahal -- this section requires secondary sources to establish weight; otherwise, this is puffery ·04:45, 17 July 2021 diff hist −632‎ Gurbaksh Chahal ‎ more of the origin story ·04:43, 17 July 2021 diff hist −500‎ Gurbaksh Chahal ‎ 'origin-story' tidbits from interviews are undue ·04:36, 17 July 2021 diff hist −507‎ Gurbaksh Chahal ‎ Photo from a fundraiser is immaterial, and seems designed to distract. Also removed self-cited claims / puffery. ·04:33, 17 July 2021 diff hist −259‎ Gurbaksh Chahal ‎ Too minor -- the 2013 E&Y award was for "Northern California region", which is insignificant / potentially misleading; preserved potentially useful sources as Further reading

61.238.106.82 (talk) 07:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Crystallizedcarbon, regarding the coronavirus needing secondary sources that is in question, you can get it many of these from a google search, hopefully this puts the edit war at bay.

https://www.apnnews.com/the-chahal-foundation-distributes-oxygen-concentrators-in-delhi-and-punjab/

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/lifestyle/giving-back-to-society-73193

https://www.ptcpunjabi.co.in/neeru-and-rubina-bajwa-support-chahal-foundation-to-help-punjab-fight-covid-19

https://www.rozanaspokesman.com/entertainment/240420/stars-fight-against-covid-19-rubina-donating-kits-with-help-of-chaha.html

https://www.spotboye.com/pollywood/pollywood-news/rubina-bajwa-urges-fans-to-donate-to-beau-gurbaksh-chahal-s-foundation-for-covid-19-relief/5e9857584718f56560e87c18

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/punjabi/movies/news/rubina-bajwa-and-beau-gurbaksh-chahal-team-up-to-help-hong-kong-charity-prevent-spread-of-coronavirus/articleshow/74084543.cms

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.238.106.82 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Again, please, please, don't forget to sign your comments. The sources you provided are for content that is not contested. The phrase that is currently sourced only with articles by the subject is: "During the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic, Chahal became a vocal critic of governments and urged them to update their monetary policies in order to salvage their economies. He also spoke out against increasing xenophobia targeting the Chinese populace.". If no independent reliable sources are provided it should be removed. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:18, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Given, the context and self published op-ed pieces, shouldn't the text be modified to:

"During the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic, Chahal wrote several op-ed articles critical of governments and urged them to update their monetary policies in order to salvage their economies. He also spoke out against increasing xenophobia targeting the Chinese populace."

Given the rise in Asian-American hate crimes, I believe the second part is also notable.61.238.106.82 (talk) 01:33, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but if it's not sourced by independent reliable sources, it's not considered notable according to our policies. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Catalan vs Spanish in lead

Hi there, Just wanted to talk more generally about the article of Jordi Puigneró, along with others. I'd like to remind you of the 2018 RfC, which specifically states that if they are notable for being a nationalist from a Spanish nationality, they should be named with Catalan. In the infobox, it can still say their citizenship is Spanish (as it obviously is) but the RfC clearly states it should be said as Catalan, not as Spanish. Do you disagree, and if so why do you want to go against the consensus of the RfC since that's specific consensus for this topic? Thanks, Jxlarb (Talk to me) 12:23, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Jxlarb: The proper place for discussion is the talk page of the article. The RfC mentions the recommendation of many users of using compromises such as "Spanish Basque" so that is why I added "from Catalonia" to the previous status quo version. I might be able to support other versions, but I don't think that the country of citizenship of the subject should be removed from the lead. We can continue on the talk page of the article. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 20:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

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I need your help

I'm sending you this message because I need your help. I noticed that you fixed the erroneous edits of other user in the article called "Carme Forcadell". That user had changed Carme Forcadell's nationality from "Spanish" to "Catalan" and you corrected it.

That is why I ask for your help, because I have found the same problem in other articles: I corrected the nationality of other politicians who are also from Catalonia but my edits were reversed by another user. I ask you, please, to correct those nationality errors for me. I prefer not to do it again because I am concerned that if I insist my edits could be considered arbitrary.

The articles with that problem are as follows:

-Roger Torrent -Pere Aragonès -Joan Ignasi Elena -Laura Vilagrà -Violant Cervera -Gemma Geis i Carreras -Elsa Artadi -Artur Mas

Thank you Tomas Fernando Camargo (talk) 17:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Por cierto colega, acabo de notar al ver tu página de usuario con más detalle que tienes el español como lengua materna ¡Igual que yo!

En todo caso si lo deseas podemos comunicarnos en español. Te agradecería si pudieras ayudarme con ese problema que te mencioné anteriormente. De antemano, muchas gracias.

Saludos para tí. Tomas Fernando Camargo (talk) 22:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Hola, Es un tema muy complicado. Se pueden buscar las formulas de consenso como "Catalan politician from Spain" o "Spanish politician from Catalonia", para elegir una u otra hay que ver cual era la formula en el historial y si se cambió sin consenso previo. Yo estoy bastante liado y es un tema que me da un poco de pereza, pues muchos de los que quieren eliminar "Spanish" o "Spain" lo hacen por motivos ideológicos. Saludos. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 05:58, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Gurbaksh Chahal

The attempt to white-wash Gurbaksh Chahal's reputation took a new turn yesterday. Editor Faizal batliwala wrote, "...a San Francisco judge dismissed all charges related to (his domestic violence) incident." However, the citation for the entry points to an SCRIBD page with a document that was uploaded by Gurbaksh himself! SCRIBD is in its own words "a place where anyone can share their ideas with the world, quickly, easily, and for free." In this instance, the "anyone" was Chahal, the subject of the article. Moreover, looking at the document on SCRIBD, you can see it is a petition for dismissal, not a dismissal. As before, if you would help me keep an eye on this bullshyte, I would appreciate it. (I'm starting to wonder what Faizal batliwala's relationship with Chahal is.) Chisme (talk) 16:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Chisme: Uff. Thanks for the heads up. I will check it now. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:10, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I see that you already handled it well. I will try to keep an eye out. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:17, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Necesito un consejo tuyo, por favor

Hola Crystallizedcarbon:

Te escribo en idioma español porque en tu página de usuario dice que dominas este idioma, así que espero que puedas entender lo que escribo. Soy un usuario que edita principalmente artículos en Wikipedia en español y en Wikipedia en inglés con la intención de mejorarlos. Pero ha sucedido algo que me ha dejado preocupando: Y es que he recibido un mensaje en inglés de otro usuario que es administrador llamado ToBeFree que decía lo siguiente:

"I noticed that you have posted comments in a language other than English. At the English-language Wikipedia, we try to use English for all comments. Posting all comments in English makes it easier for other editors to join the conversation and help you. If you cannot avoid using another language, then please provide a translation into English, if you can. If you cannot provide a translation, please go to the list of Wikipedias, look in the list for a Wikipedia that is in your language, and edit there instead of here. For more details, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thank you. ~ ToBeFree"

Mi duda con respecto a esto es la siguiente: ¿Crees que si sigo escribiéndome con otros usuarios en español dentro de Wikipedia en inglés podrían bloquearme por eso? ¿Acaso no es una práctica permitida hacer eso?

Te pregunto esto porque, sin ánimo de ser arrogante, considero que yo he hecho buenas contribuciones a Wikipedia en inglés a pesar de que mi dominio del idioma inglés no es demasiado avanzando: por eso muchas veces debo auxiliarme del traductor de Google. Realmente me gusta editar Wikipedia en inglés y no creo que por escribirme en español con otros usuarios hispanohablantes deba retirarme de Wikipedia en inglés como sugirió ese usuario... Sólo lo hago porque (cómo es lógico) un usuario hispanohablante me entenderá mejor en la lengua materna que ambos tenemos en común que si le envío mensajes en inglés hechos con el traductor de Google.

Además, a mí me consta que muchos otros usuarios hacen eso, porque en las páginas de discusión de otros usuarios de Wikipedia en inglés he visto que les envían mensajes en otra de las lenguas que ellos dominan y ellos responden en el idioma que se les escribió. Incluso, ése justamente es uno de los objetivos de que alguien ponga en su página de usuario la lista de idiomas que domina.

Pero aún así, cómo ya he mencionado anteriormente, quisiera pedirte POR FAVOR que me respondieras para darme tu consejo acerca de eso.

Si pudieras responderme para aclararme esta duda, te lo agradeceré mucho. De antemano, muchas gracias. Aziyade Gil (talk) 23:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Por cierto, el enlace que el usuario ToBeFree me envió para explicar eso fue el siguiente:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Good_practices Aziyade Gil (talk) 02:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Hola @Aziyade Gil: Es cierto que la recomendación es clara. Debes tratar de escribir en inglés siempre que puedas, porque aunque no creo que te vayan a bloquear por ello, pues se trata de una guía (guideline) y no de una política es cierto que se espera que los editores traten de seguirlas siempre que sea posible. Mi consejo es que te acostumbres a hacerlo, o por lo menos añadas también una traducción al inglés. Saludos.

(translation of text above): Hello Aziyade Gil: The recommendation is clear. You should try to write in English whenever you can, because although I don't think they will block you for it, as it is a guideline and not a policy, it is true that editors are expected to follow guidelines whenever possible. Since you have been asked to do so, my advice would be for you to make that extra effort or at least also add an English translation. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:08, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Muchas gracias por responder a mi inquietud. Y por favor, te pido que no pienses que mi insistencia en este tema de comunicarme en idioma español es por arrogancia ni nada parecido.

Lo que sucede es que yo he notado que algunas veces cuando quiero enviar un mensaje a otro usuario con alguna explicación que puede ser compleja, al traducirla al inglés con el traductor de Google no queda bien: y por tanto el mensaje que quiero transmitir no llega bien al otro usuario. Eso me ha sucedido ya varias veces, por eso siempre que quiero pedir ayuda busco a algún usuario que sepa hablar español. Saludos Aziyade Gil (talk) 22:35, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@Aziyade Gil: Entiendo lo que dices. En esos casos lo que te sugiero, es que respondas en español si ambos habláis esa lengua, pero que luego pegues la traducción de Google para cumplir con la guía. Saludos.

(translation of text above): In those cases, I suggest that you respond in Spanish if both speak the language, but that you also paste the text from Google Translate to follow the guideline. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 08:09, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Muchas gracias, eso haré. Aunque imagino que cuando otros usuarios que no sepan hablar español vean un mensaje en inglés tan mal escrito (debido a que es la traducción de un texto en español con estructura compleja), se quedarán extrañados. Saludos

(translation of text above) Thank you very much, I will. Although I imagine that when other users who do not know how to speak Spanish see a message in English so badly written (because it is the translation of a text in Spanish with a complex structure), they will be surprised. Greetings Aziyade Gil (talk) 15:56, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@Aziyade Gil: Yo no me preocuparía por eso, tu interlocutor lo entenderá, y aunque falle un poco la gramática, otros no deberían objetar por que sea una traducción automática. Saludos cordiales.

(translation of text above): I wouldn't worry about that, The Spanish speaker will understand and even if its grammar may not be perfect, others should not object for using an automatic translation. Best regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:11, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Muchas gracias por tu optimismo.

Por esos errores de gramática que algunas veces hace el traductor de Google es que yo justamente lo que hago es que elaboro las oraciones en español con una estructura lo más sencilla posible y sin demasiado engalanamiento, para así no confundir al traductor de Google: de ese modo generalmente las oraciones quedan mejor al ser traducidas. Generalmente cuando edito artículos me funciona bastante bien de ese modo. Saludos

(translation of text above) Thank you very much for your optimism.

Because of those grammar mistakes that Google translator sometimes makes, I precisely what I do is that I elaborate the sentences in Spanish with a structure as simple as possible and without too much decoration, so as not to confuse the Google translator: of that In general, sentences are better when translated. Usually when I edit articles it works quite well for me that way. Greetings Aziyade Gil (talk) 19:44, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Ayuda para revisión en el artículo de Fernando Fernán Gómez

Hola Crystallizedcarbon:

Te escribo porque quería comentarte que hace algunas semanas noté que el artículo en Wikipedia en inglés de Fernando Fernán Gómez tenía en la parte superior una plantilla que decía que ese artículo podía expandirse con texto traducido del artículo equivalente en español: Pues eso hice, expandí el artículo traduciendo el contenido en español con el traductor de Google. Pero realmente no estoy seguro de si ese contenido que añadí pueda tener o no errores gramaticales debido a posibles fallas del traductor.

Por eso quisiera pedirte (en caso de que no estés demasiado ocupado) si podrías echarle una mirada a mis ediciones en el artículo de Fernando Fernán Gómez para comprobar si en general no hay errores gramaticales en lo que hice. De antemano, muchas gracias.

(translation of text above) Hello Crystallizedcarbon:

I am writing to you because I wanted to tell you that a few weeks ago I noticed that the article in English Wikipedia by Fernando Fernán Gómez had a template at the top that said that this article could be expanded with text translated from the equivalent article in Spanish: Well, I did that, I expanded the article by translating the content in Spanish with the Google translator. But I'm really not sure whether or not that content I added may have grammatical errors due to possible failure of the translator.

That is why I would like to ask you (in case you are not too busy) if you could take a look at my editions in Fernando Fernán Gómez's article to check if there are generally no grammatical errors in what I did. Many thanks in advance. Aziyade Gil (talk) 05:29, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

También quisiera pedirte ayuda para traducir una oración: Sucede que estoy preparando un artículo para ser creado en Wikipedia en inglés acerca de una emisora de radio llamada "Radio Metropolitana". La mayor parte del contenido que he llevado al inglés con el traductor de Google me ha quedado bastante bien; pero esa oración a la que me refiero, al ser traducida no queda bien.

Por eso te pido tu ayuda: quisiera pedirte (si no es mucha molestia) si en base a tus conocimientos de idioma inglés pudieras traducirme esa oración de modo que quede bien y después enviarme la traducción en un mensaje de respuesta. La oración es la siguiente:

"En Radio Metropolitana, Alfonso conduce el programa Aires de Argentina, dirigido por Carlos Galindo López y en el que se abordan temas vinculados a las regiones de Argentina, su historia, su cultura y su gente."

Una vez más, perdóname las molestias y muchas gracias.

(translation of text above) I would also like to ask your help to translate a sentence: I happen to be preparing an article to be created on Wikipedia in English about a radio station called "Radio Metropolitana". Most of the content that I have translated into English with the Google translator has been quite good for me; but that sentence to which I refer, when translated, does not look good.

That is why I ask for your help: I ​​would like to ask you (if it is not too much trouble) if, based on your knowledge of the English language, you could translate that sentence so that it looks good and then send me the translation in a reply message. The sentence is as follows:

"En Radio Metropolitana, Alfonso conduce el programa Aires de Argentina, dirigido por Carlos Galindo López y en el que se abordan temas vinculados a las regiones de Argentina, su historia, su cultura y su gente."

Once again, forgive me for the inconvenience and thank you very much. Aziyade Gil (talk) 05:58, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Aziyade Gil: "Alfonso hosts Radio Metropolitana's radio program, Aires de Argentina. It's directed by Carlos Galindo López and in it, they cover the regions of Argentina, its history, culture and people." Regards --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:06, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. It has been extremely useful to me. Aziyade Gil (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Por cierto, soy cubano. Aunque tengo doble nacionalidad, cubana y española; la nacionalidad española la heredé de mi padre. Pero siempre he vivido en Cuba. Saludos. (no he traducido este mensaje porque es algo más bien personal, no creo que fuera necesario hacerlo) Aziyade Gil (talk) 16:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Aziyade Gil: Yo español. Me alegro de haber podido ayudar. Saludos. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:51, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Sí, yo sabía de tú nacionalidad por tu página de usuario.

Aunque en mi caso yo considero que mi nacionalidad española no es solamente un vínculo legal, pues desde niño crecí en la Asociación Canaria de Cuba y siempre me enseñaban desde ese entonces en que soy "un Canario de ultramar" (mi familia es de Tenerife). Saludos Aziyade Gil (talk) 23:30, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Buena tierra. Es una isla preciosa. Saludos.--Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:49, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Sí, eso me han dicho en mi familia acerca de Tenerife. Algún día quisiera ir. De hecho planeo en algún momento ir a vivir permanentemente a España. Porque a pesar de que Cuba es el país en el que nací, tengo que reconocer que es un desastre en casi todos los aspectos. Imagínate si es así que yo para editar Wikipedia sólo puedo hacerlo desde un teléfono móvil, porque en Cuba es muy difícil tener acceso a una computadora con Internet. Y el Internet en los teléfonos móviles no llegó hasta 2018. Antes de eso, los cubanos que quisieran acceder a Internet tenían que hacerlo clandestinamente en las computadoras de algún centro laboral estatal que lo tuviera.

Por ejemplo, yo trabajo en el Instituto Cubano de Radio y Televisión, específicamente soy diseñador gráfico del Noticiero Nacional de Televisión. Y antes de que hubiera Internet en los teléfonos móviles, las personas que trabajan ahí sólo podían acceder a sus redes sociales utilizando clandestinamente para eso el Internet que el gobierno le proporciona a los medios de comunicación para poder hacer sus funciones. Las personas que antes de 2018 no trabajaran en los medios televisivos, si querían utilizar sus redes sociales debían buscar a alguien de confianza que trabajara en un lugar donde hubiera alguna computadora con Internet y que por favor le permitiera utilizarlo, corriendo el riesgo de ser expulsado de su trabajo si era descubierto prestando el Internet.

Actualmente aquí en Cuba hay muchas personas que tienen computadoras con Internet, pero es ilegal y si son descubiertos pueden ser multados y se les decomisa la computadora. Las únicas personas que tienen Internet legal son quienes trabajan para empresas del gobierno. Aziyade Gil (talk) 18:49, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Tremendo. Ya lo siento. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Antoni Gaudí

Hola Crystallizedcarbon:

Perdona que te moleste una vez más para pedir tu ayuda, pero me he encontrado con una situación que me parece controvertida y quisiera pedir tu asesoría en eso: Sucede que hace algún tiempo noté que el artículo de Wikipedia en inglés del arquitecto español llamado "Antoni Gaudí" se refiere a él en el encabezamiento del artículo como "Catalan architect".

Por lo que yo sé, en los artículos de Wikipedia que son biografías se debe hacer referencia en el encabezamiento del artículo al país de ciudadanía del sujeto, no a su procedencia regional dentro de un país. Por eso edité el artículo y puse "Spanish architect", pero mi edición fué revertida y el usuario que la revirtió alegó en su explicación que mi edición era un vandalismo.

Entonces después recordé que en el caso de los políticos catalanes desde hace algún tiempo se ha llegado a un concenso en Wikipedia con respecto a eso: En el caso de los políticos catalanes en Wikipedia en inglés para lograr la neutralidad debe ponerse "Spanish politician from Catalonia". Edité nuevamente el artículo, está vez aplicando esa fórmula a Antoni Gaudí: "Spanish architect from Catalonia". De hecho, yo añadí esa fórmula a algunos artículos de políticos catalanes y mis ediciones no fueron revertidas. Pero en el artículo de Gaudí mi edición fué revertida una vez más (a pesar de usar esa fórmula) con la justificación nuevamente de que era un vandalismo.

A mi no me gusta ser arrogante, de hecho creo que soy un usuario que aún tiene mucho que aprender, pero en mi humilde opinión personal, esa omisión del país de ciudadanía de Gaudí es una parcialización del contenido. ¿Podrías ayudarme a corregir esa situación o al menos darme algún consejo con respecto a ese artículo en concreto?

(Translation of text above) Hello Crystallizedcarbon:

Sorry to bother you once more to ask for your help, but I have come across a situation that seems controversial to me and I would like to ask your advice on that: It happens that some time ago I noticed that the English Wikipedia article by the Spanish architect called "Antoni Gaudí "refers to him in the heading of the article as "Catalan architect ".

As far as I know, in Wikipedia articles that are biographies, reference should be made in the heading of the article to the subject's country of citizenship, not to their regional origin within a country. That's why I edited the article and put "Spanish architect", but my edit was reversed and the user who reversed it claimed in his explanation that my edit was vandalism.

Then later I remembered that in the case of Catalan politicians for some time a consensus has been reached in Wikipedia regarding this: In the case of Catalan politicians in English Wikipedia, to achieve neutrality it must be written "Spanish politician from Catalonia ". I edited the article again, this time applying that formula to Antoni Gaudí: "Spanish architect from Catalonia". In fact, I added that formula to some articles by Catalan politicians and my editions were not reversed. But in Gaudí's article my edition was reverted once more (despite using that formula) with the justification again that it was vandalism.

I don't like being arrogant, in fact I think I'm a user who still has a lot to learn, but in my humble personal opinion, this omission of Gaudí's country of citizenship is a partialization of the content. Could you help me correct that situation or at least give me some advice regarding that particular article? Aziyade Gil (talk) 20:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@Aziyade Gil: Done, current consensus is that if status quo version was Spanish and it is contested, we add from Catalonia, but if status quo version was Catalan, we add from Spain. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 08:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I must confess that it bothered me a lot when that user claimed that my edits were vandalism. Aziyade Gil (talk) 03:03, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

También quisiera pedirte algo más, si no es mucha molestia: una última traducción de una frase en base a tus conocimientos de idioma inglés.

Ya casi tengo terminado el artículo que te mencioné llamado "Radio Metropolitana", y casi listo para ser creado, esta pequeña frase que te enviaré es lo último que me falta, porque con el traductor de Google no queda muy bien. Te prometo que después de esto no te volveré a molestar para ninguna traducción: esta es la última vez, por favor.

La frase es la siguiente que aparece entre comillas:

"Desde 2011, Iribarren conduce el programa Planeta, que emite alertas sobre los daños al ecosistema y el peligro que esto implica para la biodiversidad; así como también temas de arte, filosofía, economía, curiosidades de la historia y cultura general. Desde este programa de radio, Iribarren también da noticias y habla frecuentemente sobre la pandemia de COVID-19 y los últimos hallazgos de investigaciones científicas relacionadas con esa enfermedad."

De antemano, muchas gracias

(Translation of text above) I would also like to ask you something else, if it is not too much trouble: a final translation of a sentence based on your knowledge of the English language.

I have almost finished the article that I mentioned called "Radio Metropolitana", and almost ready to be created, this little phrase that I will send you is the last thing I need, because with the Google translator it does not look very good. I promise you that after this I will not bother you for any translation again: this is the last time, please.

The phrase is the following that appears in quotation marks:

"Desde 2011, Iribarren conduce el programa Planeta, que emite alertas sobre los daños al ecosistema y el peligro que esto implica para la biodiversidad; así como también temas de arte, filosofía, economía, curiosidades de la historia y cultura general. Desde este programa de radio, Iribarren también da noticias y habla frecuentemente sobre la pandemia de COVID-19 y los últimos hallazgos de investigaciones científicas relacionadas con esa enfermedad."

Many thanks in advance Aziyade Gil (talk) 03:05, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Aziyade Gil: Please remember that all content must be referenced by reliable sources.

"Since 2011, Iribarren hosts "Planeta", a radio show that gives alerts about attacks to the ecosystem and the danger they pose to biodiversity. It also covers other subjects related to art, philosophy, economy, history trivia and general culture. Iribarren also covers news and talks frequently about the COVID-19 pandemic, including the latest advances in related scientific investigations."

Regards --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 08:39, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Muchas gracias, Crystallizedcarbon.

Y con respecto al consejo que me enviaste, no te preocupes... Todas las referencias son de los sitios web oficiales de la radio cubana. El único problema que aún tengo realmente es conseguir el permiso de los derechos de autor de las imágenes que pretendo utilizar en el artículo (incluyendo el logo de la emisora). No quiero crear el artículo hasta que tenga resuelto ese problema.

Ah por cierto... quería decirte que si lo deseas puedes escribirme siempre en inglés cuando no sean temas personales. Yo sé (por experiencia propia) que es bastante engorroso tener que estar traduciendo un mismo mensaje a otro idioma constantemente para enviarlo doble, ya sea con traductor de Google o con dominio del idioma. A fin de cuentas yo tengo traducción automática a idioma español en el teléfono móvil... Siempre en cuanto abro tus mensajes se me traducen automáticamente al español. No obstante a eso, si en algún momento te vuelvo a escribir para algún problema como el de Antoni Gaudí, siempre te pondré la primera versión del mensaje en español... Porque no sé si la traducción que haga con el traductor de Google estará bien.

Una vez más, gracias por tu valerosa ayuda y gracias por tu amabilidad ante tanto fastidio de mi parte.

Saludos Aziyade Gil (talk) 04:54, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

No problem @Aziyade Gil: Great about the reliable sources, but please also keep in mind that most of the content should be referenced to independent sources. The oficial website of the radio station is not independent. Look for news articles or books etc. that have in-depth coverage of the program. you can find more information here: Wikipedia:Reliable sources and WP:GNG. Un saludo. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 09:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Muchas gracias por los enlaces que me enviaste, los leeré con detenimiento antes de crear el artículo. Últimamente también he estado leyendo el "Manual of Style/Biography" (MOS), y me ha sido muy útil para saber cómo se estructuran las biografías en Wikipedia en inglés, principalmente los detalles que pueden pasar desapercibidos.

Pero quería especificarte que en mi mensaje anterior cuando yo dije que las fuentes que tenía para referenciar el artículo eran "sitios web oficiales de la radio cubana", no me refería al sitio web oficial de la emisora. Me estaba refiriendo al sitio oficial de todas las emisoras de radio cubanas, en el que se habla regularmente de varias emisoras de Cuba, de los locutores, de las técnicas de locución, etc. (aunque es una fuerte estatal, no es independiente). De un modo u otro, también hay mucha información acerca de esa emisora de radio en la editorial oficial del Instituto Cubano de Radio y Televisión, de hecho ahí es donde se puede encontrar más información y de buena calidad... ¿Crees que eso sea suficiente? Aziyade Gil (talk) 17:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Por cierto, ya que me hablaste acerca de las referencias en la creación de artículos, quería comentarte que hace algún tiempo creé mi primer artículo con la biografía de una socióloga alemana llamada Monika Krause-Fuchs. Aunque seré sincero contigo: en ese caso ya existía un artículo equivalente en Wikipedia en alemán creado desde hacía mucho tiempo por un usuario de esa Wikipedia. Lo que yo hice realmente fue traducir el artículo al idioma inglés y hacerle algunas mejoras. Pero realmente no tuve que hacer ninguna investigación para encontrar las referencias, porque re-utilicé las mismas del artículo de Wikipedia en alemán. Y creo que después de todo las referencias sí eran fuentes fiables porque cuando el artículo fue revisado lo aceptaron. De un modo u otro, me gustaría que también le dieras un vistazo a ese artículo, y que me dieras tu opinión para saber si mi humilde trabajo en la creación de ese artículo valió la pena, porque para mí tu opinión es muy importante.

Saludos Aziyade Gil (talk) 18:36, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Aziyade Gil: Cuantas más puedas añadir, mejor. Necesitas al menos 3 independientes. Si lo creas en tu taller lo puedo revisar. Saludos. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

November 2021 backlog drive

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Peter Arnell draft

Hi Crystallizedcarbon, I see that you are a member of WP:BRANDS and was hoping you might help with drafts for Peter Arnell and Arnell Group. I've implemented a few suggestions from the community already, and feel they may be ready for mainspace. I have a COI and so cannot move them myself, and would appreciate you looking them over and publishing if they are ready. Thanks for your help! Joanne PA (talk) 16:57, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Joanne PA: On a first glance, I don't think it's ready for mainspace. It reads like a resume, and there is a lot of information that should be trimmed starting by content that is not referenced by independent reliable sources. I'm sorry that I don't have enough time these days to do a more in depth analysis. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 07:23, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Chrystallizedcarbon, thanks so much for your time.

I made some changes as per your feedback- removed any unsourced material, fixed the format to read less like a resume, and trimmed some language that could be seen as promotional. If you have a chance to give it one more look, would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again, Joanne PA (talk) 19:12, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Joanne PA: I have made a few edits. Also, please remove all awards that are not notable enough to have their own article. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 20:41, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Crystallizedcarbon: thanks so much for your help with this. I removed most of the awards- I hope I understood what you meant about notability. Please feel free to make any other changes that you see fit. I also fixed a small error in the "Publications" section. If the article looks good, I'd really appreciate you moving it into mainspace. Thanks again! Joanne PA (talk) 15:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Joanne PA: please see if you can find an independent reliable source for Lowe’s Home Improvement. If not, please remove it as well. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Crystallizedcarbon: done! Thanks again. Joanne PA (talk) 16:07, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Happy Christmas

Thanks for the Merry Christmas wishes. My best to your and yours, too. Chisme (talk) 03:04, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Joanne PA: Done. BTW, you don't need to ping users in their own talk page. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:36, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help! Joanne PA (talk) 18:49, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

nationality v citizenship

Hola Crystallizedcarbon:

Te escribo para pedir tu asesoría en un tema que la verdad me tiene bastante confundido desde hace algún tiempo.

Y es que últimamente me he encontrado con la controversia de que no sé que parámetro es mejor usar en la ficha de información (infobox) para referirse al país de origen de una persona: "nationality" o "citizenship".

Te pregunto esto porque si se pudiera utilizar cualquiera de los dos indistintamente, no tendría mucha duda. Pero la cuestión es que algunas veces he notado que en algunas biografías aparece el parámetro "nationality" para personas con doble ciudadanía, y en esos casos generalmente se usa el parámetro "citizenship" (al menos en Wikipedia en inglés). Pues bien, cuando he notado eso he sustituido el parámetro "nationality" por "citizenship" pero mis ediciones han sido revertidas. Por otro lado, después de eso opté por utilizar el parámetro "citizenship" cuando había alguna biografía que no tuviera recalcado el país de origen en el infobox, pero entonces sucede que mis ediciones también fueron revertidas en esos casos y el parámetro de "nationality" que yo había puesto era sustituido por "citizenship", como en el caso del infobox de Andy García (ése es uno de los pocos artículos cuyo infobox dice "citizenship" para una persona que posee una sola ciudadanía).

En fin, toda esta explicación para saber ... ¿Cuándo debo usar "nationality" y cuando "citizenship"? ... ¿Influye acaso el hecho de que la persona tenga doble nacionalidad/ciudadanía o no para usar uno u otro parámetro?

Te agradecería si pudieras ayudarme con esa duda. De antemano, muchas gracias.

Translation: Hello Crystallizedcarbon,

I am writing to ask for your advice on an issue that has really confused me for some time.

And it is that lately I have come across the controversy that I do not know which parameter is better to use in the information sheet (infobox) to refer to the country of origin of a person: "nationality" or "citizenship".

I ask you this because if either of the two could be used interchangeably, I would not have much doubt. But the point is that sometimes I noticed that in some biographies the parameter "nationality" appears for people with dual citizenship, and in those cases the parameter "citizenship" is generally used (at least in English Wikipedia). Well, when I have noticed that I have replaced the parameter "nationality" with "citizenship" but my edits have been reversed. On the other hand, after that I chose to use the "citizenship" parameter when there was a biography that did not have the country of origin highlighted in the infobox, but then it happens that my edits were also reversed in those cases and the "nationality" parameter that I had put was replaced by "citizenship", as in the case of Andy García's infobox (this is one of the few articles whose infobox says "citizenship" for a person who has only one citizenship).

Anyway, all this explanation to know ... When should I use "nationality" and when "citizenship"? ... Does the fact that the person has dual nationality/citizenship or not influence the use of one or the other parameter?

I would appreciate it if you could help me with that question. Many thanks un advance. Aziyade Gil (talk) 19:01, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah, por cierto... perdona mi error al hacer el enlace, no utilicé bien los códigos. Realmente era infobox de Andy García Aziyade Gil (talk) 19:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Aziyade Gil: Nationality refers to the country in which the person was born while citizenship can be granted by a different country. You could have dual citizenship, but only one nationality. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 19:22, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Bueno, efectivamente eso que tú me dices es lo que yo siempre he tenido entendido. Pero hay algo que aún me crea una duda: noté que en una edición del artículo de Salma Hayek un usuario llamado Geraldo Pérez revirtió el término "nationality: Mexican . American" por "citizenship"; y en realidad Salma Hayek no nació en Estados Unidos, ella sólo adquirió la ciudadanía estadounidense. Aquí te envío el enlace a esa edición para que veas el resumen de edición que ese usuario dió para explicar por qué revirtió:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1033930139

¿Podrías explicarme con respecto a ese caso en específico? Saludos Aziyade Gil (talk) 21:02, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Perdona me equivoqué, quise decir que revirtió "citizenship" por "nationality" Aziyade Gil (talk) 21:06, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

También quería comentarte que, si observas la versión actual del artículo de Salma Hayek, notarás que actualmente el parámetro del infobox dice "citizenship" porque yo lo cambié antes de notar la edición de Geraldo Pérez, pero aún así quisiera saber... ¿que debo hacer si alguien vuelve a revertir eso con la misma justificación que usó Geraldo Pérez?... ¿La explicación que él dió en ese caso para revertir fue válida? Por eso quisiera que me dieras tu opinión con respecto a ese caso en específico. Aziyade Gil (talk) 22:37, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Aziyade Gil: It seems that the issue is a bit more complex. There was a failed proposal Wikipedia:Citizenship and nationality. As it currently stands, since there is no clear policy or guidelines, if a change is challenged the status-quo should prevail unless a consensus is reached in the talk page, so personally I would let it as is. I hope that helps. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 13:14, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your explanation and for the link you sent me Aziyade Gil (talk) 19:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah, por cierto... recientemente observando tu página de usuario con más detalle me he llevado la grata sorpresa de ver que también editas Wikipedia en español. Y no sólo eso... realmente cuando te encontré en Wikipedia en inglés y te escribí por primera vez para pedirte consejo, nunca imaginé que también estaba teniendo el honor de comunicarme con un bibliotecario de Wikipedia en español (sin ánimo de adular). Sabes, en el fondo siempre me preguntaba si tú también editarías en Wikipedia en español (teniendo en cuenta que eres hispanohablante nativo), pero te confieso algo: me daba vergüenza preguntarte eso. Aziyade Gil (talk) 20:18, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Gracias @Aziyade Gil: No tiene por que darte vergüenza, para mi es un placer poder contribuir en ambos proyectos y es un honor que la comunidad me otorgara su confianza como bibliotecario en eswiki. Saludos. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 09:38, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Por cierto, teniendo en cuenta que eres bibliotecario en Wikipedia en español quizá me puedas ayudar en una cuestión:

Hace algún tiempo añadí contenido (referenciado, por supuesto) al artículo del actor William Levy en Wikipedia en español. Y de hecho, ese contenido lo encontré en el artículo equivalente de Wikipedia en inglés: William Levy. En mi humilde opinión personal, creo que el contenido era relevante, ya que aborda hechos relacionados con los inicios de la carrera de Levy... además, si el contenido fue aceptado en Wikipedia en inglés no tiene por qué no serlo en Wikipedia en español. Pero mi edición fué revertida por un bibliotecario llamado Eduardosalg (seguramente tú sabes quién es él), sin ni siquiera dar al menos una explicación de por qué revirtió.

De antemano te pido por favor que no me malinterpretes: yo no pretendo cuestionar en lo absoluto las funciones de Eduardosalg como bibliotecario y menos aún pretendo ofenderlo, pero la cuestión es que he notado que él regularmente revierte las ediciones de otros usuarios y casi nunca da ninguna explicación en el resumen de edición acerca de por qué revirtió. Yo creo que, al menos por una cuestión de ética, cuando un usuario revierte la edición de otro, debe dar una explicación, para que el otro usuario sepa el motivo.

Por eso te pido tu ayuda cómo bibliotecario en Wikipedia en español, quisiera pedirte que revisaras mi edición y (en caso de que cumpla con todos los requisitos) si pudieras restaurarla.

Aquí te envío el enlace a mi edición:

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:MobileDiff/138663954

Realmente no creo que tenga nada malo, porque como te comenté, esa información está desde hace mucho tiempo en el artículo en inglés: William Levy, aunque si estoy equivocado, estaré encantado de ser receptivo. De antemano, muchas gracias Aziyade Gil (talk) 21:33, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Aziyade Gil: I assume that he probably considered that the fact lacked notability. I don't know if it was covered by other reliable sources at that time and latter on. Your best bet in those cases is to contact the user directly in their talk page and ask them politely to please clarify the reasons for the removal. I hope that helps. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 12:59, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Crystallizedcarbon Aziyade Gil (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Ayuda con una cuestión técnica

Hola Crystallizedcarbon:

Te escribo para pedirte ayuda una vez más con una cuestión técnica. Quisiera saber si podrías explicarme cómo puedo revertir una o más de una edición de otros usuarios.

Realmente antes no me había mostrado muy interesado en saber cómo revertir, pues generalmente yo siempre he preferido arreglar una edición errónea anterior con otra edición. Pero hace algún tiempo me sucedió algo que me hizo cambiar de opinión: estaba expandiendo el artículo de una artista portuguesa llamada Maria Keil con texto traducido de su artículo correspondiente en portugués y cuando ya casi había terminado el trabajo otro usuario revirtió todas mis ediciones en ese artículo porque erróneamente creyó que lo que yo estaba haciendo era vandalismo... y como yo no sabía revertir tuve que pedirle a otro usuario que me ayudara a solucionar esa situación. Aquí te envío los enlaces a la edición del usuario que revirtió mis contribuciones y también la del usuario que me ayudó después para que les eches un vistazo:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1024288823

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1024317918

Por eso, para no tener que pasar de nuevo por esa situación, solicito por favor tu ayuda para (si no es mucha molestia) saber si podrías explicarme cómo revertir. De antemano, muchas gracias.

Translation: Hi Crystallizedcarbon:

I am writing to ask for your help once again with a technical question. I would like to know if you could explain to me how I can revert one or more of an edition of other users.

I had not really been very interested in how to reverse before, since generally I have always preferred to fix a previous erroneous edition with another edition. But some time ago something happened to me that made me change my mind: I was expanding the article of a Portuguese artist named Maria Keil and when I had almost finished the work another user reversed all my edits in that article because he mistakenly believed that what I was doing was vandalism... and since I did not know how to reverse, I had to ask another user to help me solve that situation. Here I send you the links to the edition of the user who reverted my contributions and also the one of the user who helped me later so that you can take a look:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1024288823

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1024317918

Therefore, in order not to have to go through that situation again, I request your help to (if it is not too much trouble) to know if you could explain to me how to reverse. Many thanks in advance. Aziyade Gil (talk) 22:04, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Perdona, creo que me respondiste en mi página de discusión pero no entiendo qué es lo que me enviaste. Saludos Aziyade Gil (talk) 22:27, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Aziyade Gil: You do not need to revert. To be able to do so, you would need that permission to be granted and for that, you should first have a history of patrolling to demonstrate that you need the rollback rights. But again, for what you describe you can simply use the undue link on the history of the article and if you need to revert to a previous version because many edits were made, you could just view the right diff and then hit the edit link. You will be warned that you are editing an old revision. You should copy and paste the information of the diff you are restoring and paste it in the edit summary along with why you are restoring that old diff. I hope that helps. Best regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 22:30, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I just left a welcome message in your talk page with many helpful links. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 22:30, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Muchas gracias Crystallizedcarbon.

Supongo que cuando me dices "the undue link on the history of the article" te refieres al botón que dice "undo" que aparece a la derecha de cada edición en el historial de ediciones.

Y por favor, perdona mi torpeza... quizá tú pienses que alguien como yo, que ya no soy exactamente un novato en Wikipedia, debería tener más nociones acerca de estas cosas, principalmente por el tiempo que llevo haciendo esto. Lo que sucede es que soy un tanto torpe con la tecnología... Muchas de las cosas que yo hago aquí en Wikipedia he aprendido a hacerlas por intuición, pero te garantizo que lo hago de buena fé en pro de mejorar Wikipedia. Hacer esto realmente me apasiona mucho. De hecho, cuando entré por primera vez a tu página de usuario y vi la imagen de las manos sosteniendo la Wikipedia con la frase "tú eres parte de Wikipedia"... ¡me identifiqué con esa frase plenamente! Saludos Aziyade Gil (talk) 22:51, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Aziyade Gil: No problem at all, we all had to learn, and I am more than happy to help. Yes, the undo at the right of each edition effectively reverts the article to the version before that edit, giving you the chance to review and optionally make further changes before confirming. Best regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 19:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello Crystallizedcarbon:

Thank you sincerely for your good disposition and for all your kindness. I really appreciate the fact that you have always been there to help me when I have had a problem: In my opinion that is something that is not forgotten. Aziyade Gil (talk) 00:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Aziyade Gil: My pleasure, glad I could help. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 20:08, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

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Violación de consenso en el artículo Antoni Gaudí

Hola Crystallizedcarbon: Te escribo para decirte que he notado que el cumplimiento del consenso en el artículo de Antoni Gaudí para el que te pedí ayuda hace algún tiempo ha vuelto a ser vandalizado. Te escribo este mensaje para pedir por favor tu intervención en esta situación, ya que a fin de cuentas tú eres un usuario con más experiencia que yo. Y creo que sí yo vuelvo a corregir el consenso en ese artículo, entonces el usuario que recientemente lo deshizo quizás deshaga mi edición y eso daría lugar a una guerra de ediciones. Personalmente, yo creo que quizás ese usuario no está enterado del consenso que existe con respecto a "Catalan from Spain" o "Spanish from Catalonia". Aquí te dejo el enlace a la edición de ese usuario:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1061008703

Translation: Hello Crystallizedcarbon, I am writing to tell you that I have noticed that compliance with the consensus in Antoni Gaudí's article for which I asked you for help some time ago has been vandalized again. I am writing you this message to ask for your intervention in this situation, since at the end of the day you are a user with more experience than me. And I think if I do correct the consensus in that article again, then the user who recently undid it might undo my edit and that would lead to an edit war. Personally, I think that perhaps that user is not aware of the consensus that exists regarding "Catalan from Spain" or "Spanish from Catalonia". Here is the link to that user's edition:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1061008703 Aziyade Gil (talk) 04:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah, por cierto... ¡Te deseo una feliz Navidad! Mis mejores deseos, muchas cosas buenas y mucha salud para tí... ¡mi estimado colega al que tanto conocimiento le debo, debido a tu nobleza y tu amabilidad para ayudar a un simple novato como yo! Siempre te estaré agradecido. Saludos. Aziyade Gil (talk) 04:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

@Aziyade Gil: Igualmente. Feliz Navidad. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 15:43, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hola Crystallizedcarbon: Por favor, en serio perdóname por molestarte una vez más con este tema, pero sucede que el mismo usuario que anteriormente quitó el país de ciudadanía en el artículo de Antoni Gaudí ahora ha revertido nuevamente tu edición. Tú sabes que no me gusta criticar negativamente a otros usuarios pero... ¿Es qué acaso ese usuario no respeta el consenso que está establecido con respecto a esa cuestión? ¡Esto ya es una violación reiterada!... Quisiera pedirte tu ayuda para hacerle entender definitivamente a ese usuario que eso es un CONSENSO. De antemano, muchas gracias. Aquí te dejo el enlace a la edición de ese usuario:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1062509081

Translation: Hello Crystallizedcarbon: Please, seriously forgive me for bothering you once again with this topic, but it happens that the same user who previously removed the country of citizenship in Antoni Gaudí's article has now reverted your edit again. You know that I do not like to criticize other users negatively but... Is it that this user does not respect the consensus that is established with respect to that question? This is already a repeated violation!... I would like to ask your help to make that user understand definitively that this is a CONSENSUS. Many thanks in advance. Here is the link to that user's edition:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1062509081 Aziyade Gil (talk) 05:14, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Enlaces interwikis para artículos equivalentes en distintos idiomas

Hola Crystallizedcarbon, quisiera pedirte ayuda para un problema que tengo con respecto a Wikidata: Recientemente he creado un artículo en Wikipedia en inglés llamado Havana-Babylon. Prostitution in Cuba, en realidad ese artículo lo creé como una traducción del artículo original de Wikipedia en francés llamado La Havane-Babylone. La prostitution à Cuba. Pero tengo un problema: para poder editar Wikidata y enlazar ambos artículos a través de interwikis (al menos por lo que yo sé) es necesario hacerlo desde una computadora PC, y quizá recuerdes que una vez te comenté que en Cuba donde yo vivo es muy difícil tener acceso a una computadora con Internet, sólo dispongo de un teléfono móvil. Por eso solicito, por favor, tu ayuda. Quisiera pedirte, si no es mucha molestia, que enlazaras ambos artículos a través de interwikis. Aquí te envío el enlace al artículo original de Wikipedia en francés:

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Havane-Babylone._La_prostitution_%C3%A0_Cuba

Si pudieras ayudarme, te lo agradeceré mucho. Por favor, perdóname las molestias y de antemano, muchas gracias.

Translation:Hello Crystallizedcarbon, I would like to ask you for help with a problem I have regarding Wikidata: I recently created an article in English Wikipedia called Havana-Babylon. Prostitution in Cuba, I actually created that article as a translation of the original French Wikipedia article called La Havane-Babylone. La prostitution à Cuba. But I have a problem: to be able to edit Wikidata and link both articles through interwikis (at least as far as I know) it is necessary to do it from a PC, and you may remember that I once told you that in Cuba where I live is very difficult to have access to a computer with Internet, I only have a mobile phone. That is why I request, please, your help. I would like to ask you, if it is not too much trouble, to link both articles through interwikis. Here I send you the link to the original French Wikipedia article:

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Havane-Babylone._La_prostitution_%C3%A0_Cuba

If you could help me, I will really appreciate it. Please forgive me for the inconvenience and many thanks in advance. Aziyade Gil (talk) 00:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Hola @Aziyade Gil: Done. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 10:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

¡Muchísimas gracias! Quería comentarte que en realidad yo he creado artículos otras veces y no he tenido ese problema porque todos los artículos que he creado anteriormente como Monika Krause-Fuchs son biografías cuyo título es el nombre de la persona en cuestión, y como los nombres personales se escriben igual en la mayor parte de los idiomas, siempre un bot los ha identificado y los ha enlazado automáticamente al cabo de algunos minutos de haber sido creados. Pero en este caso el nombre del título se escribía distinto en base al idioma. Saludos. Aziyade Gil (talk) 14:39, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

No hay de que. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 09:32, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

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