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Proposed deletion of Roberto Vedovotto

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Hola and thank you for notifying me. --Burgmaestro (talk) 01:44, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on Roberto Vedovotto, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Nomination of Roberto Vedovotto for deletion

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January 2024

Hello Burgmaestro. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Roberto Vedovotto (businessman), gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

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Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Burgmaestro. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Burgmaestro|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I am not and do not intend to be paid to edit Wikipedia. I know I only log in occasionally, I'd like to do it more but I lack free time. I mainly edit eyewear-related pages because it relates to my job (sunglasses shop owner), but I am in no way related to any of the companies or the persons of the pages I edited (I wish I were), except for some employees of Shwood Eyewear I met once at a wine tasting event. The eyewear industry is not very talked about in general, and that reflects on Wikipedia, which is why I started to edit Wikipedia in the first place. Roberto Vedovotto has been one of the big guns in the industry for the past decade, that's really the only reason for working on it. Burgmaestro (talk) 20:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Could you please comment on your decision to circumvent the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roberto Vedovotto by recreating the article at a different title? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:22, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I think I replied to my own comment, not sure if you were notified of my reply. Burgmaestro (talk) 20:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I just saw you deleted the page again. Oh well... The different title was not an attempt to avoid scrutiny, I just started to create pages with the "(type)" to make page titles clearer. But I see how it looks malicious when you infer the hypothesis of paid edits. I'll just submit it again through whatever debate process it has to go through, just not right now (getting a page deleted is a real downer)... If Roberto Vedovotto is such an issue, I also created the page Massimo Renon (I listed the pages I created on my user page) which is along the same lines in terms of notoriety, should it be reevaluated? Burgmaestro (talk) 20:28, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I forgot to comment that I rewrote the first version of the Vedovotto article that had been deleted, because the first version was stuffed with whatever I had found online (rookie mistake), while the latest version you just deleted is focused on key info, which is why I thought it was OK for publication, and why I republished it a few weeks ago when the redirect was applied with a reference to the first version of the article... Burgmaestro (talk) 20:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

It looks like that article was reviewed back in 2022, although I do agree that at a glance it seems like its coverage suffers from much of the same problem, that coverage is limited to announcements of Renon's appointment to one specific CEO position and statements made in that capacity. For what it's worth, if you ever want to give another crack at writing an article on Vedovotto, you can find the old draft stored in the article's history (here's a direct link for convenience). The key thing to improve moving forward is to identify additional (likely newly-published) references that contribute towards WP:GNG; tweaking wording or otherwise improving the quality of writing in the article is not relevant for an AfD, the sole issue is the availability of usable secondary sources. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)