Auguel

November 2015

Hello Auguel! I saw that you reverted my edit on List of countries by level of military equipment, it is true that my changes was without support in the source used in the article. However, I do wonder whether the source is correctly quoted or if the information in it is wrong, the information I changed was obviously wrong. The official website of the Norwegian Armed Forces says Norway has five frigates but no destroyers, furthermore the information about Denmark is also wrong, they haven't got any destroyers either (Official website of Danish Defence). Best regards, Rasmus 28 (talk) 20:07, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough. The current source for all the data is the IISS 'Military Balance 2015', they compile data on the military capabilities of all countries and release annual reports. There are several reasons for the discrepancies between their data and the data on the official websites. For one the data could have changed since the publication of the reports. However, I think a likely reason is that the specifics by which they assign classes to ships may differ slightly from the ones used by Norway or Sweden. In the end, I think following the official websites may be better than following the IISS document, so feel free to remake the changes but please add a reference next to each figure pointing to their respective sources. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Auguel (talk • contribs) 1:33, 10 November 2015

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Thanks for letting me know. Is there anything I can do about the copyrighted flag. Auguel (talk) 02:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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Hi! Please don't remove {{opaque}} without addressing the problem, as you did in Special:Diff/1054081947 and at many other places. Also, I see no point in adding {{should be PNG}} as {{opaque}} implies that conversion to a different file format is necessary if it's a JPG file. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:18, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Stefan2: It is not appropriate to add the opaque template to jpg images, since the issue cannot be addressed without first converting to PNG or another format which supports transparency. By adding the opaque template to jpg images nothing is achieved except polluting the Images that should have transparent backgrounds category. As you said, opaque implies that a conversion to PNG is necessary, but it is the conversion which is the more difficult task, so it should be presented to contributors who are willing to do that task (e.g. in the category Images which should be in PNG format). As it is the Images that should have transparent backgrounds backlog will never be addressed because contributors looking to perform the background removal task, are instead met with the much more demanding task of format conversion. Auguel (talk) 17:36, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

It is not appropriate to leave out {{opaque}} and only tag with {{should be PNG}} as users willing to address the problem risk addressing only the second problem but not the first problem. Conversion to PNG is easier: just tell the image editing software to save as PNG and upload under a different file name. Add {{artefacts}} if necessary. If the file has been reduced per WP:NFCC#3b, it is better to start from the high-resolution source image to get less visible compression artefacts. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Stefan2: "users willing to address the problem risk addressing only the second problem but not the first problem" that is unlikely in my opinion. "Conversion to PNG is easier" yes saving as a png is trivial, but this is not good practice and will always leave artifacts. Anyway as I said my main point is that marking jpgs with opaque just pollutes the category and leads to less efficient work, as evidenced by the huge backlog. But I will not go against the concensus. Auguel (talk) 18:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

I came here to leave you the same comment that Stefan2 left. {{Opaque}} is a tag signifying a problem which background transparency. {{Artefacts}} and {{bad JPEG}} are tags signifying specific quality issues. {{should be PNG}} is the worst tag of the four since it suggests a solution without pointing out the problem. This results in editors uploading either an opaque png or a transparent png with artefacts and quality issues. Pointing out the problem is mandatory for getting a better solution. Besides, for almost all logos, {{should be SVG}} is preferable. --Muhandes (talk) 20:17, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Muhandes: Sure, opaque, artefacts, and bad jpeg are specific quality issues, but they all originate from the same root cause which is that an image was innapropriately saved as JPG when it should have been a PNG. The problem is that opaque can also occur on PNGs, and the steps to resolving it are not the same. After thinking about it some more I think that my desired outcome would be for jpg and png with opaque backgrounds to be placed into seperate categories so that they can be efficiently addressed.

While I agree SVGs are generally better for this type of work, it does not seem worthwhile to recreate SVGs from scratch for non-free works. Ideally, an image of adequate quality can be obtained from the source, with optionally some minimal (e.g. removing background). Auguel (talk) 20:27, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

The desired outcome should not be for jpg and png with opaque backgrounds to be placed into seperate categories. It should be that better images are supplied. The first step in getting a better solution is pointing out the problem. --Muhandes (talk) 20:35, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Muhandes: Yes exactly the goal is for better images to be supplied. For a JPG that does not mean removing the background as implied by opaque but getting an original PNG version. For PNGs (assuming the PNG is of good quality) the image can be improved by removing the background. That's actually exactly my point. Auguel (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Our point is that your tagging scheme is detrimental to the goal you state. We are repeating our own arguments. I guess we agree on the goal, but will probably not agree on the means to achieve it, so I would have to point out the situation.

There is a status quo (which probably reflects the consensus), that is, many/most logos are tagged with {{opaque}} and {{artefacts}}/{{bad JPEG}} as appropriate. You are changing this by removing these tags, replacing them with {{should be PNG}}, which you believe is better. Both Stefan2 and myself believe that your changes are detrimental, and ask you to stop them. I think it would be prudent to undo the changes you made, but that is up to you. In any case, you are requested to seek wider consensus before you continue these changes. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 08:48, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

If the problem is that {{opaque}} sorts PNG and JPG images into the same category, then that is trivial to fix. Just look at {{non-free reduce}} which sorts into different categories depending on the file format. However, {{opaque}} should not be replaced by the less informative {{should be PNG}}. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:12, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hey Auguel, nice job finding that Angelo Herndon source! I thought you might be interested that I found a link to the image in a higher resolution! Here it is: https://d1lfxha3ugu3d4.cloudfront.net/images/opencollection/objects/size4/82.65.366_PS2.jpg PequodOnStationAtLZ (talk) 11:37, 13 April 2023 (UTC)PequodOnStationAtLZ

@PequodOnStationAtLZ: Unfortunately the guideline for non-free images is that they should have a resolution of less than 100,000 pixels (WP:IMAGERES). Auguel (talk) 14:50, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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