User talk:Alison/Archive 5b

Latest comment: 16 years ago by Messedrocker


Edit history is available here (warning: linked page is extremely huge). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Messedrocker (talkcontribs) 06:55, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

New Cork vote

There is a new move request and survey regarding Cork. This time it is proposed to move Cork to Cork (city) in order to move Cork (disambiguation) to Cork. You are being informed since you voted in the last Cork survey. See Talk:Cork. --Serge 07:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Ali-oops.jpg

The image has been deleted as requested.  OzLawyer / talk  20:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar and thank you!

Thank you so much! My very first barnstar, this honestly means a lot to me. I feel I should have some sort of speech prepared... :) The *relin diagrams were indeed pretty tough, I'm still working on nafarelin and the antagonists. I'm thinking of maybe creating a composite image of all the agonists to show the structural differences. Thanks again for the acknowledgment and your kind words. Best, Fvasconcellos 00:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Photograph of Brendan Smyth

Ali-oops - I just discovered the recently posted (October 2006) photograph of Brendan Smyth on your entry of the Wikipedia article concerning Smyth. Smyth was known to me as Father Gerry during his assignment at Our Lady of Mercy (OLM) in East Greenwich, Rhode Island. His birth name is John Gerard Smyth. I am interested in communcating with the individual (Illumina29) who shared the photograph taken in 1965 at age 9 while Smyth was assigned to Our Lady or Mercy (OLM).

Can you please forward this message to Illumina29? My e-mail address is attymcg@aol.com

According to newspaper accounts, Smyth was first assigned to OLM in the summer of 1965. He left OLM briefly and was returned to Ireland in March of 1968 where he received aversion therapy at Purdysburn hospital in Belfast. According to Father Bruno Mulvihill, whose interview was captured in the UTV Counterpoint four part documetaries Suffer Little Children & Keeping the Faith, Fr. Smyth was returned to Ireland in 1968 because he had been molesting children in Rhode Island. Smyth was permitted to return to Our Lady of Mercy parish off and on through the 1980s and often stayed in the homes of parish families.

attymcg@aol.com (November 27, 2006) 24.151.72.124 17:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I've no email address for the user above, but I've copied your message to their talk page. Hope they get in contact with you. - Alison 19:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT studies

Hello! I noticed that your userpage mentions that you are interested in LGBT issues. Would you be interested in joining WikiProject LGBT studies? The WikiProject's been a bit inactive recently and some of us are trying to get it going again. We'd love to have you on board! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Stewart Farrar

Please note that the issue of "linkspam" is an issue under moderation. There has been an agreement to remove the external links. There has been no agreement to remove internal links. Please join the moderation if you have a problem with that. —Hanuman Das 14:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Consensus

Please note that the Starwood links are subject to mediation, and there is a consensus to remove external links. There is a mediator, User:Kylu, and User:Kathryn NicDhàna is not even a party to the mediation. Please don't interfere with the process. —Hanuman Das 03:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Firstly, don't attempt to intimidate me. Secondly, if something is non-notable IMO (and in other editors' opinion), it should be removed. Having the Starwood issue under mediation does not give you or anyone else carte blanche to insert the wikilink into any article you please. Frankly, it's not relevant to the Stewart Farrar article. The man himself has actually visited my kitchen on occasion but I don't see fit to reference that fact in the article. - Alison 03:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I think the only way to resolve this is to go through all the Neopagan articles and say whether or not the subject of the article has ever appeared in Alison's Kitchen. We must document this with links not only to Alison's Kitchen, but also with external links to any commercial websites you might like to set up, such as ticket sales to Alison's Kitchen and sales of CDs from performances that have taken place in Alison's Kitchen, and places to buy the books of people who have visited Alison's Kitchen. It will take a lot of time and effort to place all these links, and defend them from those who would hate, persecute, and personally attack Alison's Kitchen, but it's the only way to be sure. And I'm certain the broader Wikipedia community will appreciate it, too. They are all dying to know about Alison's Kitchen and who has appeared there. --Kathryn NicDhàna 03:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, they've never complimented me on my cooking, but I've had a long relationship with several of the above (and have spoken with Janet Farrar about the Wiki listings, and was thanked for creating one for Gavin), and I can raise you Selena Fox, Robert Anton Wilson, Deborah Lipp, Raymond Buckland, Robert Shea, Pat Monaghan, Ian Corrigan, Margot Adler, Oberon & Morning Glory Zell, and a whole lot more who have stayed at my home at one point or another, if that means anything at all.
    • You obviously need to work on your cooking skillz, so. :-b And, no, of course it doesn't matter who-know-who. Thanks for proving my point, though (and goodness me! Don't you know everyone :) ) - Alison 18:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm not sure how I did that, and no, I don't quite know everyone, but I've been lucky/blessed to meet and become friends with a lot of folks in the Pagan, Consciousness, and World Music communities. But you're right about my cooking; however, I make a mean Chorizo/split pea/sweet potato stew. Few of these folks have gotten a taste, though; it takes 2 days to make in a crock-pot, and when I see these folks I usually only have time for stovetop and campfire cooking, alas. Rosencomet 17:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • As to the relevance of his appearance at Starwood, I wonder what your insistance that it NOT be mentioned is based on? Starwood is the largest, and tied for the longest-running, Neo-Pagan festival in America, and it was the first major American event to host the collaborative team of Stewart, Janet, and Gavin Bone. The heading was "Involvement in Wicca", and I think a simple mention of this appearance is appropriate. Now if you think other appearances are also notable, then why not do you own research and add a list of appearances to the article like Oberon's has? I feel strongly about this in part because Kathryn and a few others seem determined to eliminate ANY mention of Starwood anywhere, and I sincerely believe that inclusion in the Starwood roster is notable. This is NOT a link to a "commercial site", just one to the Wiki page of the event mentioned. I would not delete any mention of Pagan Spirit Gathering, Rites of Spring, Free Spirit Gathering, or Pan Pagan Festival either, though they are smaller. Stewart's involvement in Wicca surely includes his lecture appearances at major Pagan/Magical events, though perhaps not the "bo-zillions of festivals/conferences/talks" he has spoken at you allude to. Such data makes the encyclopedia listing that much more complete. I don't understand why YOU don't think so. Rosencomet 18:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Frankly, I'm highly suspicious of your touting of Starwood on just about every page you can get away with. Not to mention the revert-wars that have ensued. In the Stewart Farrar article, I hardly see the notability of it as it certainly does nothing to embellish the biography of the man IMHO. Fine to mention Stewart on the Starwood page, but the converse certainly isn't true. You have way too much invested in this, for some reason. Why? - Alison 18:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


      • Here are some other statements in this article. Are they notable? I don't plan to challenge a single one.:

"Farrar was one of the first British officers to enter Auschwitz, an experience that Knowles claims "greatly influenced his personal and political beliefs"[4]." (Who cares if he was first, or if someone claims it influenced him?)

"According to mystica.com, Farrar "found the ceremony both dignified and moving"[2]." (So what? Encyclopedic?)

"Farrar began work on his first non-fiction book, What Witches Do, and began taking classes on witchcraft from the Sanders'." (The publication date of the book is listed elsewhere, twice in fact. Who cares when he began it, or began some classes?)

"Maxine Sanders remembers Farrar as "a charming man, a sincere student with an active flexible mind"[6]." (Encyclopedic? That she found him charming and sincere?)

"Janet Farrar asserts that the couple were both elevated to the second degree "in an unoccupied house in Sydenham" by the Sanders on October 17, 1970," (Who cares if the house was unoccupied?)

"The ceremony was attended by Farrar's two daughters and two sons from three previous marriages - his marriage to Owen was his seventh." (Who cares that his kids attended his handfasting?)

"In 1976 the Farrars moved to Ireland to get away from the busy life of London[7]." (Who cares if they liked or disliked "the busy life of London"?)

I object to none of this. I see no reason that an article in an encyclopedia has to be boring, sparse, clipped, or contain only the barest necessary information. I've read plenty of articles in encyclopedias, and have NEVER found this to be true.

I've already told you reasons why I think the Starwood appearance is notable, certainly more so than the passages above. In fact, it is the ONLY reference to Stewart's decades-long career as a lecturer, teacher, and workshop facilitator in the whole article, certainly as important as the fact that "from 1953 to 1954 he worked in London's Reuters office" or that his death followed "a brief illness". In fact, it is the only mention of a public appearance by Stewart for ANY reason!

Now why do YOU insist on taking it down, aside from your personal view that "it certainly does nothing to embellish the biography of the man"? I have made no secret of the high regard I have for the Starwood Festival, and I think Stewart's featured headline appearance at America's largest magical festival DOES, in fact, embellish the section entitled "Involvement in Wicca" for his bio. I know, personally, he felt honored to be included, and offered more classes than the festival asked him to. He wanted to be a spokesperson for the Craft, and this is the only example of his doing so in the entire article. Aside from your suspicions about my motives, WHY doesn't the mention belong there? Rosencomet 21:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Anaesthetic Dream

In reference to Transsexualism - the link to Anaesthetic Dream - the book about Australia's legal transsexual - you deleted - yet no others - it was an internal link and that seemed suitable - seeing someone had already suggested it - dont you think it a relevant link? Sincerely Pamela. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pammylove (talkcontribs) 10:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Re Nafarelin

Give me a couple of hours and I'll see what I can do :) Thanks for the heads-up, I'd forgotten all about it! Fvasconcellos 12:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. The naphthalene side chain looks a little wonky, but I hope that's OK. Thanks again! Fvasconcellos 15:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I've also added a {{Drugbox}} to the newly-created Histrelin and am working on a structure for it. Fvasconcellos 18:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, glad I could help. I'm still working on the histrelin diagram though... Fvasconcellos 20:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for reminding me of how to sign my name to entries on talk pages. nidhighe 20:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Fáilte romhat, though that was someone else, not me! - Alison 11:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Wolfe Tone

Yeah I know what tóin means in Irish.... and while i realise that Wolfe Tone is a name you hardly ever see in irish, on a club GAA bag (actually on two separate clubs' bags and crests I have seen his name translated as "Ulif Toin". Derry Boi 16:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

  • It's a bit of an anglicisation, though and unfortunately, a GAA bag isn't really a reliable source. I thought it hilarious, though! :) - Alison 11:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Your sigline

I figure you are "in the know," since you work at the fruity computer company on Infinite Loop Drive ... are you using MS Mincho on your sigline for the "hand" icon? Is that compatible with Macs? I usually stay away from the Microsoft fonts. But gee. The temptation to have icons versus words is just ... so ... tempting. Ta, David Spalding    22:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm thinking it should be just fine as it comes under the ISO charset that's being used in the headers for Wiki HTML. Seems okay so far! - Alison 11:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

vandalism on breast implant page

Thanks for your help with the advertising links that were on the breast implant article, plastic surgery article, etc.

I'm having trouble with someone who calls himself Droliver who keeps reverting the breast implant page. If you read the discussion, you'll get a sense of what's going on. I am an epidemiologist and I keep trying to insert some NPOV -- currently the article reads like a plastic surgery website, because Droliver apparently is a plastic surgeon (and given the amount of time he spends on this article, perhaps is also paid by someone to edit the article).

The latest outrage is that when I tried to replace some old links at the end (including one with paid ads on it) and include some NPOV links from National Cancer Institute and FDA, he deleted them, replacing them again with an outdated article by a plastic surgeon. Can you help? Several women's health experts (doctors and public health folks) have supported my efforts, but he keeps vandalizing. He keeps calling me "political" because he disagrees that there are any risks for breast implants. I have published 4 books, numerous medical journal articles, etc, but that doesn't matter to him. Please help.Drzuckerman 00:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I put the articles on my watchlist and will revert if there's any vandalism, POV or WP:EL nonsense. There's not much more that I can do as it's not my area of expertise at all and I can see from the talk page that this has been ongoing for quite some time - Alison 11:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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  • Fixed and rationale supplied - Alison 11:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Keep up the good work. I might have a better pic of John Ireland. Regards ClemMcGann 11:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject Belgium

Hi Allison,

welcome to WikiProject Belgium! If you have any questions or plans for this project, don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Enjoy!

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

PS: if you like medicine, there are also some related projects on Portal:Medicine/WikiProjects for which you can list.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the welcome, Steven :) - Alison 19:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can

Use of citations

The page listed below is a discussion about the use of citations and why they are not relevant within wikipedia.

One of the contributants, who I agree with, states that Wikipedia can't always have references for everything because of the nature of a wiki website. This is because some of the information may be personal knowledge which can't have displayed references because there simply aren't any.

Category talk:Articles with unsourced statements —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.241.69 (talkcontribs)

  • In this case, the edits you made to Éamon de Valera were inappropriate as a glance at the article's talk page will immediately show that many of the cite requests were placed there due to editors questioning those statements in the first place. They are genuine requests for citations in this case. - Alison 23:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Please give your verdict on this opinion to user:dreamweaverjack's discussion page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.241.69 (talkcontribs)

Welcome!

Welcome to the Project! As a welcome gift, histrelin now has a structural formula :) Fvasconcellos 00:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Thank you!! And thanks again for your wonderful structural diagrams. I felt it was about time to join the WP:MED crowd :) - Alison 20:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Maritime

If you have the time, go ahead with my grateful thanks, and I'll help when I can ClemMcGann 20:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC) p.s. I just added John Richardson Wigham ClemMcGann 20:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks, Clem! When I get a chance here, I'll start it up and advertise it on WP:IWNB. Thanks again - Alison 20:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

This link provides an alternate view

Sadly, I think that the link that was recently removed from the TS page was actually strikingly understanding for a Christian source. Honestly, if most Christians held even those beliefs life as a transsexual would be easier.

Of course, it does show a number of issues and inconsistencies immediately, but you can't expect purityranical values to change significantly that quickly! I do like though, however the end of the medical page discussing the "true" transsexuals, "Theologically, the process is ethically problematical in that it questions the decision of God to create an individual as male or female." and the VERY NEXT PAGE talks about those who are born with an ambiguous gender. Uh... how can it be ethically problematic by questioning God's will to create something between male and female (or even to *gasp* get it "wrong") when there exist people, who by their very existance show that God does not have a problem with "creating" someone who is neither male nor female. Of course, the other inconsistancy with it is they say "Furthermore, the sex-change operation can ... and not their DNA and the chromosomes which make them biologically male or female." But yet, physical evidence exists that shows that "genetic gender" is misleading, inaccurate and in some cases out right wrong.

Again, they attack the problem from their assumed premises that exclude the possibility of people truly being something other than "perfect", in order to support their own bias against those who are different. But still! Despite all this wonderful misleading and inaccurate information, you can see that they're actually trying to truly deal with the problem logically, and not just dismiss it outright because "The Bible don't say nuttin' about no transssexuals."  :) Just thought I'd share from a Christian perspective, that from many houses in the world, that that link would be considered blastphemous, and outright too liberal, and supportive. Even though, we already know by physical evidence that it's just wrong, and inconsistant. But I have to give them credit for at least trying to not be typical arrogant judgemental Christians. --Puellanivis 02:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

OH! Do you know anything about this "contraversial study out of John Hopkin's"? I find it very hard to believe that anyone could come up with a regret rate of over 10%... I have a college text book that cites that high of a regret level, and it was being consistantly reverted away on the TS page. So, unless they were totally making data up (hey, it happens) then, I don't see how it could even have been done. --Puellanivis 02:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Bah! Humbug! Not!

Thank you, Ali! Been too sick to do anything worthwhile on wiki for ages. See you in the new year! Fergananim 19:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Sorry to hear that :(. Take it easy over the holliers and we'll see you back here in January - Alison 19:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


Armada

Hi, Ali-oops. Saw you put a project banner on Spanish Armada in Ireland - any suggestions for making it better?

Anyway, had a look through the entries on your pages and noticed you have a Flemish (Dutch/Belgian) connection + Brendan Smyth rears his ugly head. WP invites variety.--Shtove 01:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


Feck off and stay in Yankee land. Each Inis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.162.221 (talkcontribs)

  • Please read WP:NPA. You've already been warned about this kinda stuff - Alison 19:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Oh, that's the same person!! ww2censor 19:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Yep! They're just about to get a sockie tag on their talk page - Alison 19:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

What you think of this/ your input.

Hello Allison. I am looking for your opinion on this rewrite of this article. Any constructive input will be appreciated. Thankyou. --Hfarmer 14:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Ireland

What's wrong with me making the beginning of the article clearer to readers and pointing out that Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Somethingoranother (talkcontribs)

  • Because 1) it's about the geographic entity, not the political, 2) it's a sensitive issue for all, 3) the term 'province' is factually incorrect in this instance, 4) you're pushing POV, 5) you've already been blocked for entering into a revert-war on this very article only today. Best option would be to bring it up on the talk page and get consensus/compromise and move forward - Alison 05:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually under British law Northern Ireland is considered a province of the United Kingdom!!! and this should be stated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Somethingoranother (talkcontribs)
  • Well, no, because it's an article about Ireland, with a very brief mention of political entities. The very mention of the word 'province' introduces ambiguity and confusion to the reader (as you have just demonstrated). This has been gone over again and again on this article. You're not introducing clarity here, rather you're potentially introducing reader confusion and political bias. The Northern Ireland article already defines the political situation well enough and interested readers can go there directly from the {{dablink}} at the top - Alison 05:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I did not intend to create ambiguity, confusion or political bias in this article but simply to state that which is fact and truthful and should not pander to people's conflicting points of view, as all wikipedia articles should. Also it would seem that the 3RR seems only to apply to me and not to others who keep reverting my work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Somethingoranother (talkcontribs)
  • It's nothing to do with your intent and everything to do with your edits. You're not adhering to WP:NPOV whichever way you look at it, and you refuse to enter into dialog about your edits on the talk page; it's your way or nothing. Hence the revert-war/3rr nonsense of earlier. I've already tried twice to compromise over your edits there today and each time, you've reverted. I've no political interest in this one way or another myself; the facts should prevail and right now, they're not. (BTW, I've already reverted an anon editor today who tried to introduce 'Doire' into the Northern Ireland article - that's also incorrect (it's County Londonderry, as agreed amongst the editing community). Compromise works, y'know. And BTW, 3RR applies to everyone - Alison 06:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I didn't mean to cause any upset but I think there should be a compromise? Any suggestions as to the compromise? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Somethingoranother (talkcontribs)
  • No problem. May I suggest you post your proposed changes on the article's talk page at the bottom. State your rationale for changing it and if it's reasonable and balanced, editors will accommodate it. Hey, if it's factual and balanced, I'll back you up myself! If it's not, they'll suggest how it could be changed. Otherwise, it'll just get people's backs up and we'll all just get nowhere. It's one of those hot topics, unfortunately, but we have overcome it before. Ok - gotta run here now. Bedtime :) - Alison 06:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

My suggestion for the Ireland map showing the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland should say below it: Map of Ireland showing the state of Republic of Ireland and the UK province of Northern Ireland. What's your view on this? Somethingoranother 07:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

My suggestion for the beginning of the Ireland article is:

What's your view on this? Somethingoranother 07:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

It's decidedly unclear for reasons mentioned on the talk page. The word 'province' introduces ambiguity and confusion given this historic uses of the word associated with the island ("cúige" / Irish provinces, etc. see also Province and Ulster). This is decidedly unhelpful. Moving to the article talk page now ... - Alison 10:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

You send me a message about reverting but what about you then??? Somethingoranother 12:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I've done my last revert for this 24-hr period. You have not. I've engaged in dialog and given my rationale. You have not. You took the matter to WP:AN/I and were suitably rebuked by the admins. Take the hint and enter dialog, please! - Alison 12:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

What was wrong with my version? Somethingoranother 12:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I've already pointed out repeatedly what I consider to be 'wrong' with it. It's all over the talk page. - Alison 12:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I really appreciate your kindness and patience in dealing with and trying to help (as I have done too) this user. Well done. --Guinnog 17:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for putting HansFotzeficker up on the AIV page. Pastordavid 08:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: your message

No problem. I also blocked him. Academic Challenger 08:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

TS entry

Apologies if this comment is in the wrong place but I simply wanted to communicate and explain some edits made to the page on transsexualism (and its etiology). While there are several statements to the fact that the cause of transsexualism is unknown, a number of passages appear to promote the view that it has biological cause. I have tried to correct for this, while retaining as much of the original content as possible.

Happy Holidays!!!

 
Wherever you are, and whether you're celebrating something or not, there is always a reason to spread the holiday spirit! So, may you have a great day, and may your wishes be fulfilled in 2007! Fvasconcellos 16:36, 25 December 2006 (UTC)