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editHello Ake Holm -
When I saw your name appear in an edit summary for a folk music article here on Wikipedia, I knew immediately that you must be the same Ake Holm from Sweden whose marvelous website about Belafonte and other folk artists is one of the great sites on the www. Just wanted to thank you and hope that you will add your expertise to the articles here on Wiki, as I see you have begun to do. Regards, Sensei48 (talk) 15:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
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Links to your website
editHi Åke, I noticed your edit at Miriam Makeba. I don't know why nobody has told you before, but links to personal websites are not allowed on Wikipedia (see point #11) and they are not considered reliable sources on here either. Therefore, I've removed all the links to your sites in Wikipedia articles. Adding them with a conflict of interest is also bad. Graham87 18:22, 21 June 2018 (UTC
- This is simply very strange. First someone encourage me to have all the links for some folk music artists and then someone else removes them for silly reasons. Regarding the discography for Miriam Makeba my site was very much appreciated by Miriam herself. And that is one reason why I am mentioned in her biography from 2005. My site is totally non-commercial and I have put a lot of effort and energy to make it as complete as possible. So make an exception and let it stay there as an extensive reference of all her music. Otherwise I can ask someone else to add it. Åke Holm
- Who encouraged you to add the links? That's very much against Wikipedia guidelines. If you'd like a second opinion, feel free to ask at the external links noticeboard, but links to personal websites are really not looked highly upon here. Also, please sign your messages with four tildes like this: "~~~~" Graham87 19:14, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- One by the name Sensei48, on top of this page and what is the problem with a link like mine? I don't make any profit of it unless you count all the nice mail I receive from people who have found the information they are looking for
- -- (unsigned) Åke Holm
- Sensei48, who I've never known to do external links patrol, said: "Just wanted to thank you and hope that you will add your expertise to the articles here on Wiki, as I see you have begun to do." "Adding your expertise" ideally means adding text based on traditionally reliable sources, which do not include personal websites (which is why they shouldn't be linked here). You may or may not have been aware, but your very first editsb back in 2007 to add links to your own site were instantly mass-reverted like this by CambridgeBayWeather; if he'd left an explanation on your talk page back then, we mightn't be here. ""Adding your expertise" can also mean uploading any images you own on your websites to Wikimedia Commons, the free image repository for Wikipedia and related projects. Assuming the images are useful for Wikipedia articles, then those uploads would stay around forever and would be in no danger of being deleted. Graham87 02:14, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- Who encouraged you to add the links? That's very much against Wikipedia guidelines. If you'd like a second opinion, feel free to ask at the external links noticeboard, but links to personal websites are really not looked highly upon here. Also, please sign your messages with four tildes like this: "~~~~" Graham87 19:14, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- Graham, while your suggestion to upload pictures to Commons is a good one (Åke, please think about it), I find your other remarks to be overly harsh (not by the words, but by the meaning) to someone who is still new to Wikipedia and didn't do any harm. You are treating him as if there would be a trial ("we mightn't be here", "who I've never known to do external links patrol", "said: ...") and he would be a SPAMer, which he definitely isn't. Also, implicitly Sensei48 and CambridgeBayWeather aren't put in good light as well.
- As I pointed out on your talk page already, there is no rule in Wikipedia which would forbid us to include links to privately owned websites if they aren't about personal stuff. You are applying WP:ELNO #11 "no links to personal web pages" incorrectly, because Åke's site is serious, non-profit and privately-owned, but not personal. There is no personal content about him on that site (except for some passing mentionings that he likes the musicians he writes about (obvious) and that he befriended Miriam Makeba in real life. That by itself is harmless and does not constitute a conflict of interest (COI), as you formally accused him in the opening of this thread and edit summaries. So, please don't bite the newbies.
- In general, WP:EL asks us to cherry pick external links and only include the best - and it does so for good reasons, as we don't what junk and SPAM contents here.
- So, it basically boils down to a question of quality:
- Are those links provided by Åke quality links, are there better links available somewhere else, do they improve the articles and help the readers of an encyclopedia to include them? I can't answer the question if there are better links, but from what I saw Åke's site looks serious.
- --Matthiaspaul (talk) 09:35, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Matthiaspaul: I made a bad copy-and-paste on my talk page which made my earlier message unclear; see my reply there. But you're misunderstanding what "content of a personal nature" means; could it be a language issue? "Personal" in this case refers to anything that is outside a company, a school, etc. A personal website *is* the same thing as a private website ... it's a site made by an individual for themselves, as opposed to one made for a business or academic institution, etc. It's just like a blog without the formatting.
I don't think I'm treating Åke (or the other people involved here) harshly. This situation is remarkably common; people try to add links to their websites/blogs all the time, and they get reverted, as they should. There are long-established procedures for dealing with these situations. Graham87 15:19, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- I've just noticed this edit. I'm sorry that it came to this. Graham87 15:48, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Contributing a picture for NORBIT article?
editHi Åke, I recently expanded the NORBIT article and added an external link to one of your pictures showing four NORBIT 2 modules diagonally arranged in front of a matchbox, which I found to be among the best photos of these modules on the web (there aren't many, though). Of course, it would be much better to include some pictures in the body of the article, but nobody provided any so far - and given the age of these modules this isn't very likely to occur soon. Therefore, I would like to ask if you could be so kind to contribute that picture (or another) to Wikipedia. If so, please upload it to the English WP or to Commons and provide Wikipedia the right to use it in the article. That would be great. Thanks for your kind consideration. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 08:32, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
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