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Hi, have noticed your comments at AFD are overly aggressive and you also are wrongly describing newspaper articles as database entries. A database is like IMDb or Discogs, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 00:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@Atlantic306: Hey...I get it. This one is a simple case of misinterpretation and I'll clear it up. In all my Del !votes I have used the words Database entries not Entries in Databases. Both phrases, though homonymous, have a significant difference between them which depends on context. In this case, what I meant by Database entries in newspaper articles is that they are Basic entries about the films like the genre, cast and crew (log-book entries). There is no in-depth coverage about anything be it production, casting, release and most importantly no reliable reviews. I don't know if you have read the Star review for Ais Kosong, but if you have then you must have noticed that nearly 70% of the "review" speaks about the difficulties in producing Malaysian-Tamil films in general due to the lack of budget and competition from Indian-Tamil films. The movie itself is hardly covered. And that's the case for almost all the listed reviews. Either that or they are from YouTube by individual fans of the films. It's just not enough to establish notability. Entries in Databases are as you stated IMDb or Discogs.

Secondly, I am well aware of the tone that needs to be used while communicating with other editors. Exactly why I politely stated that "I understand the creator's sentiments in trying to keep the article" at the Afd for Puthiya Payanam. So if I have employed a slightly harsher...not aggresive, HARSHER tone while replying to editor KesunyianAyam, there are reasons behind it. The first thing that ticked me off was the constant insinuation that the nom and all other !voters were being foolish and haphazard for considering the notability of the films with statements like "what is the need to say that the film has no notability currently". Notability is one of the foundations of Wikipedia and as an editor one should know that. Everywhere on Wiki, be it while creating an article or in the guidelines for nominating and voting for Afd's, the thousands of words put together in guidelines basically scream one thing...CHECK FOR NOTABILITY. I completely understand that said user started actively editing only about 10 days ago and one should be welcoming towards new editor. But I myself was a newbie not very long ago and I sure as hell didn't go around making statements like why consider notability and I'm sure that you didn't too. And the first time I voted at an Afd I had the courtesy to read through all the guidelines first. It didn't take me more than a few seconds to realise that notability is key. Being new is a valid excuse for a lot of stuff, but not ignorance. Also, I do have another reason for being slightly cold to said user but I don't want to dwell on that until I have more substantial data at hand. But I do apologise if you felt snubbed in any manner. Regards, Sunshine1191 (talk) 04:46, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Ya, myself as a user, feels also slightly attacked by your comments with '!' and harsher tone. Try to use more neutral tone next time. No need to be mad or frustated about small matters, you are a voter, not the contributor who is in harder situations and should be more devasted. No offense. I am replying in neutral tone. Cheers, User:LoveFromBJM (User talk:LoveFromBJM) 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@LoveFromBJM: My use of the exclamation (!) was a counter to your attempt at swaying votes your way by using the words COMPLETE OVERHAUL. When the issue of discussion at the Afd is notability and reviews and you label a few format changes and rewriting of the lede as a COMPLETE OVERHAUL it really doesn't help with explaining your points with the other editors involved as the tone of falsification has already been set. Secondly, the use of an exclamation mark to emphasise one's point doesn't even come close to counting as an attack, else all notable writers right from Shakespeare to Dan Brown would have been convicted felons. You chose to use big-bold letters to emphasise your point, I did the same using (!)... nothing wrong with it ethically or semantically. And if we are going to nitpick on each other's short comings how about we speak about the fact that at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Satte (film) you stated that you had Added 2 Youtube independent Youtube reviews. but in reality they both are the exact same review by Almighty TV, just titled differently. Look...in a very neutral tone I would like to state just one final thing. Yes I may not have had any articles of my creation put up for deletion on Wikipedia but in real-life there have been many occasions where things I created have been lost or outcomes haven't always gone my way, so I understand exactly how it feels. However, hiding the complete truth or forging evidence in order to sway votes to Keep is NOT DONE, and that is what I have a problem with. Sunshine1191 (talk) 10:49, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I have never been a voter on Wiki, so I don't know the process of it, so I use bold letters to try to make other users noted on my changes. I AM NOT TRYING to hide truths, because I have been trying to improve on 20 Wiki articles being deleted, sometimes after adding sources, I just straight away add what I have added. Sometimes I will describe 'wrongly'. And my complete overhaul is that I really change the wordings, the headings, add whatever sources, add synopsis, styling and formatting, it really has a significant difference. I am not hiding anything or forging evidence, just struggling to keep it all together. Try to not make it too hostile. I hope u understand. :) LoveFromBJM 2 October 2020

@LoveFromBJM: Like I stated above I completely understand your situation having experienced the same on many an occasion. Nevertheless I do have to point out that stating one's opinions strongly when a discussion isn't going according to procedure is not called being "hostile" but is called Standing one's ground. Hostile would have been if I had called you a big liar in the active Afd discussion or hurled abuses at you or caused unwarranted discrepancies to your other edits, none of which I have done. What I did was just state my unreserved opinions out loud without a coat of sugar. My aim in joining Wikipedia was to make this encyclopedia more reliable and if that process involves having to employ a stiffer demeanor every now and then as the situation warrants, that is a path I am willing to take. Anyways none of this matters now. I seriously doubt that you and I will ever cross paths again on this platform. So how about we just leave it at that and I sincerely wish you Happy Editing for the future. Sunshine1191 (talk) 02:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, thank you for your wishes LoveFromBJM 3 October 2020

PROD

Hey...can u do me a wee little favour. I PRODed the article List of programs broadcast by TV Asia but was a server error and I got logged out and the PROD didn't register correctly. I removed my older PROD and added a new one explaining that the previous one was a technical error but I don't think that it's gonna pass cus of the relisting. So can you remove the PROD from the article which will allow me to list it at the Afd's? TheRedDomitor (talk) 13:14, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

@TheRedDomitor: Done Sunshine1191 (talk) 14:13, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Apoligies and Thanks. :)

Thanks for your effort on making Wikipedia a better place :) I appreciate your efforts on notability and for me, it teaches me a lot and I'm sorry for any incovinience for being a newbie. May god bless you. Thanks with regards. -- Fellow editor and newbie, KesunyianAyam (talk) 17:43, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@KesunyianAyam: Hey...its not a problem at all. God knows i've made many mistakes too. The important thing is that we accept our mistakes and learn from them. Your effort in acknowledging your error and apologizing to me for it itself shows strength of character and willingness, which is exactly what is required in order to become a constructive editor on Wiki. Don't let being a newcomer stop you from making edits you think are accurate and verifiable and Wikipedia has plenty of well articulated guidelines to help you if you're ever unsure about any content policies in the future. Sincerely wish you Happy Editing. Cheers!! Sunshine1191 (talk) 04:26, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

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