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Level 5 thoughts

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level 4 thoughts

Religion

mythology

remove Siren (mythology), add Archangel and Guardian Angel

Siren is covered by Greek mythology and Siren. We do not need it if we do not list Radha for Hindusim or other certain topics related to Greek Mythology (Minotaur], Pandorra, etc.). Angel deserve overrepresentation by Archangel and Guardian Angl because of angels are not historically local-specifif. IMO these two topic are easy more than enough vital on this list when we can list for example Teddy bear and Winnie-the-Pooh or Doll and Barbie.

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Add Sacrament and Rite of Passage

IT is strange that we can list Funreal, Veneration of the death, Marriage, Wedding etc. but no Sacrament (to religoius section). In the archives there were suggestion to add Eucharistia (far less vital topic than something like Baptism or Lord prayer) but sacrament never had been nominated.

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Swap: remove Zombie, add West African Vodun

I think Zombie could be covered on this level by demonology. West African Vodun is religion from Africa which culturally also could cover that area.

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Swap: remove Giant and Baba Jaga, add Demonology

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Western esotericism and New religious movements

Add Ethnic religion and Cargo cult

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People

musicians

Swap: remove John Lenon, add Roy Orbison

Roy Orbison IMO better represent that rock era than Buddy Holly. Orbison (often called "Caruso of the Rock) generally along with Presley is considered as greatest rock singer of all time.

I also take issue with listing Lenon as the only The Beatles' member based on previous discussions. Yestereday is a song which is vital for rock and even classical music but originally was composed by Paul McCartney. Both memeber are enough comparable to be consensually listed on the level 5.

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Swap: remove Patsy Cline, add Thelonious Monk

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Swap: remove Buddy Holly, add Carl Maria von Weber **

Budy Holly is worse representation of Rock in 50's than Roy Orbison. IMO he should be at least removed or swapped for his band. Carl Maria von Weber is quite strange omnission on this list. Despite fact I spend several years in music school as child, more than 80% of classical compossers from level 4 list I got know since starting editing in that project but Weber I knew earlier.

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sportspeople

Swap: remove Michel Platini, add Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit *

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[4] - Here he is listed above Celsius.

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Swap: remove Mark Spitz, add Guido of Arezzo

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Swap: remove Shane Warne, add Robert H. Goddard

Essential to history of astronautics. His ideas also sometimes revolve in context of hypothetical underwater trains (see for example: Transatlantic tunnel). I would give FA for him ahead of astronauts. Michel Platini should be removed based on my rationale in the discussion.

In the archives there was contigent that Shane Warne is one of the weakest cricketers on this list and that Cricket is vital in English-speaking world just like Basketball. Anyway I would remove Shane Warne due to fact we have another Australian cricketer currently on the list.

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Swap: add Lina Wertmüller, remove Luciana Aymar

She has been ranked as second most important female filmmaker after Leni Riefenstahl. I am not sure she is less vital than Ida Lupino and is certainly more vital than Luciana Aymar.

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Swap: remove Bonnie Blair, add Christa McAuliffe

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Swap: remove Eric Heiden, add Valeri Polyakov Buzz Aldrin and John Glenn *

Buzz Aldrin is redundand to Arsmstrong and John Glenn is redundand to Gagarin. If I would have to add another man astronaut on this list I would prefer add someone completly differ for diversity reasons, because of someone the most famous not necesarly is the most vital.

Swap: remove Martina Navratilova, add Kanō Jigorō

I really do not think Navartilova is more notable Czech than people like Bedřich Smetana or Leoš Janáček. Kanō Jigorō is needed because of if we decide remove Michel Platini and/or Vince Lombardi we will have only Zidane, Beckenbauer and Cruyff as notable business people (who are more known as players anyway despite their great coach careers)

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Move Edmund Hillary, Junko Tabei and Tenzing Norgay to explorers section

If we are going to cut sports people in my opinion we should move three moutaineers to explorers and remove 7 sport figures. This selection will fit if we decide add two astronauts. I also think that when e are over quota we should tenativelu cut sport people only to 90.

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Remove Rafael Nadal, Bill Tilden

I suggest to remove all male tennis player except Roger Federer and Rod Laver (in 1999 Rod Laver has been regarded by Sport Ilustrated as second the best individual athlete of the century after Muhammad Ali and ahead of Joe Louis, Jack Nicklaus and Ray Robinson ([7].

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Swap: remove Thor Heyerdahl, add Bartolomeu Dias

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Swap: remove Melanchthon add Pontius Pilate

Pontius Pilate was jurist and his biography need be included to this list because of this is historical person which revolve around efforts for historical research of Jesus.

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Arts

music

Swap: remove Kind of Blue, add John Coltrane

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Every day life

sport and recreation

Swap: remove Rugby World Cup, add Beauty pageant

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Earth science

Add energetics

Vital just as natural resource and more vital than coal mining or video game industry. It is also definietly needed if we list Nuclear power on the level 3

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