Alalch E.

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Welcome to my talk page!

I like to keep things compact, and don't have any great ideas for my user page yet, so my signature directs here.

I was a long-time reader and lurker (since 2003). I appreciate the Five pillars and the idea of open knowledge, and want to give something back; this is why I began editing in 2021. I'd like to receive your feedback on anything I've done. Expect a reply! :)

By the way:

• I prefer to keep discussions unfragmented. If you start a new talk topic here, I will respond on this same page, as an effort to keep the entire conversation in one place. By the same token, if I leave a comment on your talk page, please respond to it there, using the ping template like this: {{ping|Alalch E.}}. If you want to initiate a conversation with me anywhere else, simply ping me there—no need to notify me here.
• If a discussion here is about a specific article, I may move the discussion to that article's talk page. Were one to disagree I would tell them to treat it as my removing comments on my talk page and my quoting them on the target page. The Moved discussion to/from templates are useful here.

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	Because you have good ideas! Amoxicillin on a Boat (talk) 14:32, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! You're certainly a quick learner when it comes to finding appropriate barnstars!—Alalch E. 14:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Yep Xeno User : Amoxicillin on a Boat 18:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amoxicillin on a Boat (talk • contribs)

Starting an RfC

Hi, regarding this edit, you must never copy the |rfcid= from another RfC, they must be unique - you should always let Legobot assign its own. By copying the |rfcid=, this caused the listing entries to become corrupted.

No corrective action is required in this instance because this removal by Nemov (talk · contribs) has triggered Legobot to repair the listing entry. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:06, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. —Alalch E. 14:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Killing of Shani Louk

The article Killing of Shani Louk you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Killing of Shani Louk for comments about the article, and Talk:Killing of Shani Louk/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Irruptive Creditor -- Irruptive Creditor (talk) 07:02, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Where is Kate? for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Where is Kate? is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Where is Kate? (3rd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 11:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, but it isn't needed to notify me in this way as I am not a creator and not a major editor of that page. —Alalch E. 11:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I've been notifying editors who participated in any of the associated discussions. I'm sorry if you didn't want this notification! IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 11:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

No problem! —Alalch E. 12:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

What is your Email? I made a project...a WIKI project...and wanted to share it with you.

P.S. It is on Google Sites. Amoxicillin on a Boat (talk) 03:37, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Boccacini Wiki is the name of it. Amoxicillin on a Boat (talk) 03:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024

Hello Alalch E.,

New Page Review queue January to March 2024

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.

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Portal:Berbers

Interesting but annoying. The portal isn't finished. In my opinion, it isn't worth finishing, but I am recommending that the closer wait until the originator comes off block to see if they have any comments. If it were finished, it would still be inferior to the deleted portal. Since it isn't substantially identical, you are correct that it isn't a G4, but it won't be as good as the deleted portal, which still wasn't worth keeping.

Do new portals appear in the New Page feed? Is that how you saw that this portal had been recreated? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: It would be nice to see what the creator thinks, but they haven't talked yet. Page Curation doesn't include portals, and I saw this while patrolling recent changes (the oldschool way). —Alalch E. 08:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

The portal creator hasn't talked yet because they have been blocked for one week for disruptive editing. That is why I suggested that the closer wait until the page creator comes off block. I will still favor deletion of any new portal that uses subpages, but other editors should be able to hear from the originator. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

They haven't talked in the sense of never having talked at all (despite having multiple opportunities to show willingness to respond to feedback).—Alalch E. 08:01, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: Piped links and WP:NOTBROKEN

The meaning of WP:NOTBROKEN is that we're not supposed to go around "fixing" the use of redirects that are not broken. I don't see any functional difference between that and what I observed in those edits - the edits changed from linking the text "xyz" to the river article under that same name, to linking the text "xyz" to the river article under another name. Whoever would follow that link would not even get the redirected from <that name> caption, they'd just find themselves in the river article which has been renamed and so you just ended up creating a WP:EASTEREGG. It's a pointless activity that has no value to readers or editors, please don't do that. --Joy (talk) 17:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Joy: The redirect links are not to be considered broken when the name of the redirect page fits naturally in the prose, but in piped links, the link should not be a redirect link, but the direct link. The reader does get a message that they have been redirected when arriving on the destination page via the piped link that uses a redirect link instead of a direct link, and that is the functional difference. —Alalch E. 17:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

This does not follow from any Wikipedia editing practice I've ever been aware of. In fact, we have converse examples of e.g. MOS:DABREDIR where we intentionally link topical redirects. I don't quite understand what you mean by the last sentence. Let's just look at what happens: right now, when a reader reads e.g. History of Montenegro, and they click the linked text "Bojana", they arrive at the heading Buna (Adriatic Sea) with a subheading of "(Redirected from Bojana (river))". If you use Buna (Adriatic Sea) in the pipe link, the reader gets no notification about the redirect and instead finds themselves at a place that doesn't match the text they saw before and they have to read further into the lead section to understand why they are there. With a redirect, there's less of a chance of astonishment as we make the action of changing where they were going explicit, they'll be more likely to more quickly recognize that as an intentional action, not as a possible mistake. --Joy (talk) 17:59, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

So, in an example case of [[Bojana (river)|Buna]] (at this time Bojana (river) is a redirect to Buna (Adriatic Sea)), the reader who clicks on "Buna" will arrive at Buna (Adriatic Sea) and will get a notification that they have been redirected through Bojana (river) which is not desirable, and fixing this is not a pointless activity that is discouraged. —Alalch E. 17:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, that's the issue - in these two cases, the reader did not click on "Buna". They clicked on "Bojana". --Joy (talk) 18:00, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

But the reader was not genuinely redirected, they followed the pipe term "Bojana" to get to the piped name "Buna (Adriatic Sea)". That gives them all the information they need. The start of the Buna article explains that its a river named Bojana and Buna. Telling them in addition that they have been redirected from "Bojana (river)" is completely useless to them and is just a distraction. It's a useless extra step. —Alalch E. 18:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't know about you, but I've actually been in this sort of a situation myself, where I'd follow the links through to new topics using a lot of strange new words, and would find myself at a place where I didn't even realize I clicked. Being told I am redirected is a very helpful feature. --Joy (talk) 18:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Basically, we never pipe through redirects. This is never correct. Piped links should always only work as piped links, and redirect links as redirect links, but mixing the two is never the desired state and can always be fixed by rectifying the link in the pipe, and this is categorically never a pointless activity. —Alalch E. 18:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to see a citation for such strong language :) I don't quite see any hints of what you just said at e.g. WP:PIPE and MOS:PIPE. --Joy (talk) 18:31, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Linking#Piped links through redirects —Alalch E. 23:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

(BTW I'm not 'she', rather 'he'. Sorry for the confusing name, it's a relic of a different time, a time of joy and happiness, when I wasn't aware it was a feminine name in the English-speaking world. :) --Joy (talk) 11:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC))

Noted, apologies :-) —Alalch E. 11:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Entheogen IP

Is also trying to coatrack entheogens and religion into the {{Alcohol and health}} template, then spam that template onto multiple religion articles, FYI. Skyerise (talk) 19:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. —Alalch E. 19:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks...

... for this edit. This was obviously one of the rare occasions when changing another editor's post was the right thing to do.👍 JBW (talk) 13:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome. —Alalch E. 13:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

The Monument Mythos article

Greetings, i am Alex Brad Casanas, mostly known on YouTube and Reddit by my alias MISTER MANTICORE. I appreciate your work in The Monument Mythos article but as you can see i left a message to my fans and the article editors, as my therapist recommended me to ask you all to stop the work on the article and to delete it for my mental sanity keep. If you don't know about me, i did horrible things in the past and i had to seek for mental help after it, and that article only makes me feel grief and damage slowly my mental sanity as it reminds me of the bad things i did. Thanks for taking your time and reading my message.

Yours faithfully,

Alex Brad Casanas (MISTER MANTICORE) Alex Brad Casanas (talk) 15:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Dear Alex, what about Analog horror#The Monument Mythos? There is already content about your webseries published on Wikipedia. What is your comment on that? —Alalch E. 16:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I didn't know the existance of that article and it's content. If it's possible, can that section be deleted too? My therapist requested me as an exercise to delete and stop working on all the Monument Mythos related media, including the consequence of having to either make all the Monument Mythos videos private or to delete my own YouTube channel and give the adminship of my Reddit server to my friend Eliana. If it's possible i would like to request the deletion of both the Monument Mythos draft and the Analog Horror article section that references my works too, please. Thanks for taking your time for reading my messages and to answer me.

Yours faithfully,

Alex Brad Casanas (MISTER MANTICORE) Alex Brad Casanas (talk) 16:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I want to make this dialogue efficient so I will write short replies and sometimes phrase them as questions with the aim of producing certain intermediate conclusions which may help clear things up. Please answer: Do you agree that a general-purpose online encyclopedia should cover the topic of analog horror in a standalone entry so that readers' can search for the term "analog horror" and are led to the entry titled "Analog horror" providing comprehesive coverage of this topic? —Alalch E. 16:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I think that yes, people should have access to the Analog Horror article. But i think that your point is that you will try to make me answer to you in a manner so you refuse to delete the required information by missibterpreting my answers. I know that Wikipedia is an expanding encyclopedia but administrators shoukd have up in mind the mental care and health statuses of the people they are writing about. I already had to ask Eliana to take control of my Reddit and Patreon accounts, i had to delete my new series for all my mental feeling storms i am having, and my mental sanity is again fading and worsening after this new crisis. If you wish to ask me more questions i will be glad to answer them but please, consider my mental health and my therapy when you do them, thanks.

Yours faithfully,

Alex Brad Casanas (MISTER MANTICORE) Alex Brad Casanas (talk) 17:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Since readers should be able to read an article about analog horror on this encyclopedia, and as analog horror is a certain genre of media exemplified by certain works, just as any genre is exemplified by certain works, and seeing how your work is one of the prominent examples known for its particular direction insofar as it is based on alternate history settings, helping explain the breadth and pliability of the analog horror genre, which broadens our readers understanding of the subject matter, and as reputable journalistic outlets have written about your webseries, precisely citing it as one of the most noteworthy examples of the genre, it is a part of Wikipedia's mission to include content about The Monument Mythos, and if this is Wikipedia's mission, and suitable content can be, and already has been, written about this, which content meets the requirements in our core content policies (check, content is fine) and the policy about how to treat topics involving living persons (check, content is also fine, sensitive, and respectful in this regard), there is no force in the world which can remove this content from Wikipedia. The question if there should be a standalone article about The Monument Mythos is more of a technical matter of content organization. Right now there isn't a standalone article. The draft that exists is not an article. It's not in the encyclopedia (imagine a printed encyclopedia and a piece of paper lying next to it; that's what a draft is). If it isn't incorporated in the encyclopedia and if six months pass before anyone has edited it again, it will be deleted.—Alalch E. 18:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

So, my own mental sanity is no reason for Wikipedia to remove an article, i see. Well, then if my mental health worsens and somethimg happens to me as Wikipedia refuses to remove the content, it's my fault or it's Wikipedia's fault that my mental health worsens because someone has to recopilate data at the expense of the health status of others? Some people even dared to include the infamous Google Doc file with the incident i protagonized and apologized and your admins decides to keep it at the cost of my own sanity!

As i see that Wikipedia is a dictatorship and doesn't care about the healthcare of other people, I will have to communicate to all my followers to boycott Wikipedia, apart of making the story of a new series on YouTube about Wikipedia's malevolent intentions. And yes, you will be included as one of the antagonists. Grief can make you a monster.

Alex Brad Casanas (MISTER MANTICORE) Alex Brad Casanas (talk) 19:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

The content treats your work fairly and duly, focuses not on you but on your work, and does no disservice to you as an individual. We pursue a mission of building an encyclopedia to disseminate free knowledge to the world. When knowledge is added we safeguard it and don't let it be lost. Our mission is to educate about analog horror which entails educating readers about your webseries as a prominent example of analog horror just as our mission is to educate about the atom. If there was something negative about you that isn't supported with high-quality sources, something contentious and dubious, too much unnecessary detail or private information etc., it would have been another matter. There is nothing that can be done about this content with respect to removal, both at the draft and in the article, because the content is good. It is educational content worthy of inclusion. Share this conversation with your followers and let them make their own judgement. Best wishes —Alalch E. 19:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

yapsville needs you back as their mayor Dellvell (talk) 19:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Working on it! —Alalch E. 22:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

good jobloh Dellvell (talk) 13:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

References

Infobox reversion (action invited)

Hi!

Speaking from extensive past experience at Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine, in my opinion talk page discussion would be a much better way to effect infobox changes.

I had to use a Twinkle restore as it wasn’t practical to do a manual reversion, so I cordially invite you to redo the source rescues.

Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 09:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. The rescues were solely related to the infobox change, so there is no need to reconstruct the intermediate edits. —Alalch E. 09:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Feedback

Do you often do recent major news events? If not, you should consider doing more of them, your emphasis on procedure and no-nonsense is ideal for it Alexanderkowal (talk) 22:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Not quite often perhaps. I worked on Wagner Group rebellion last year, and most recently, I successfully nominated Killing of Shani Louk for GA. It's true that my immediate motivation to join Wikipedia was to edit an suggest changes to a particular current event article (I took a few lessons with me from that period...). I believe that a specific quality of Wikipedia is to provide comprehensive coverage of current events in a way that provides greater utility to an average person than what they, as an average consumer of media, could obtain from reading a few news articles or watching a typical TV program. It's indicative that, when asked "What is Wikipedia?", the first thing that Brooke Vibber said was: Wikipedia, as a sort of the idea of it, is to be very open to accepting contributions, to the point that a lot of material can be put together very quickly, and it can be updated immediately when events change. For instance, when something important happens in current events, we have an article on it right away. If you would like to collaborate with me on a specific current event article, start a new current event article and seek my input etc., I'd be very glad to participate. —Alalch E. 23:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

That’s great, yeah just do what interests you. The neutral POV is what I imagine people crave regarding recent events. I don’t think I’ll be doing much recent events in the future, it’s not really where my skills lie, but it’s really great Wikipedia supports them. All the best for the future Alexanderkowal (talk) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, same to you. —Alalch E. 23:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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