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The result was: rejected by Alex ShihTalk 05:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
As per nominator request. Alex ShihTalk 05:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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Simmons Hardware Company Warehouse

Created by SL93 (talk). Self nominated at 21:46, 17 July 2013 (UTC).

  • Question, not a formal review: What is it now? Still a warehouse, or a vacant building, or something else? Gamaliel (talk) 22:04, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
    • It is a vacant building which is why the history doesn't go past the early 1900s. SL93 (talk) 22:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
    • It closed in 1936. I will add that. SL93 (talk) 22:17, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, it is vacant and the reference for 1936 is unreliable. I thought that it would be obvious though because of when the history ends. SL93 (talk) 22:23, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

      • It's best to state the obvious to avoid ambiguity. Is this the same place that's called the Battery Building on 232 Water St.? If so, I found some news articles that will help fill in the gaps. Gamaliel (talk) 22:32, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
        • It is. SL93 (talk) 22:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
          • Just emailed you three articles from the Sioux City Journal that may not be on the web. Gamaliel (talk) 22:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
            • Thanks. SL93 (talk) 22:40, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I will fill it in with this. SL93 (talk) 22:37, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I have expanded the article with the sources given, which I also found online. SL93 (talk) 23:10, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
  • The hook is plain as vanilla to me. Can you please explain why it may be interesting to the potential reader of the MP? -- Ohc ¡digame!¿que pasa? 15:12, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
    • When the warehouse is mentioned in sources, it is rarely mentioned that there were other locations. SL93 (talk) 15:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
      • Well, unless you count sources from the early 1900's which the majority of people don't read. SL93 (talk) 15:34, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
        • What's in the source or not is hardly sufficient to make it past "interesting". Once a company has a certain scale, additional warehouses are often brought on line out of logistical necessity, and their locations are determined by strategic choices requirements. It may remain central, or be diffuse. So what I meant was that it's never rare for a company to have more than one warehouse location once it gets to a certain size, so what's in the article is hardly surprising enough to be "interesting". -- Ohc ¡digame!¿que pasa? 17:06, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the historic Simmons Hardware Company Warehouse (pictured), in Sioux City, Iowa, is also known as the Battery Building? SL93 (talk) 17:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

  • Full review needed, including of ALT1. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Are people afraid to review this for some reason? There were two editors that could have reviewed the article. I'm normally patient, but I'm losing patience because this is ridiculous. SL93 (talk) 10:44, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
  • The article is not about the warehouse but about the company that owned it. An article about the cutlery company may be possible and this could be summarised in another article about this building. But I cannot see enough material here about the building to make an article. I have started to copy edit but the main issue is what the article is focussed on. Is there a "historic places" description that explains why this building was chosen? That may supply some extra material. Hope this helps
  • ... that the historic Simmons Hardware Company Warehouse (pictured) in Sioux City, Iowa, was one of six locations of this cutlery business?Victuallers (talk) 11:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
    • I could easily rework it into an article about the company and include the warehouse, as the only notable stand-alone warehouse, in a section. Does that sound fine? SL93 (talk) 11:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Of course! but you would need more than a list of names of who was in charge - it is possible to find some pictures of this cutlery? I must admit I'm amazed at the size of it - there could have been enough knives and forks in there to supply the US Army for several years!! (IMO). Victuallers (talk) 11:32, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure why cutlery was added by another editor. It is a hardware manufacturer, with cutlery being a small part of it. The company went by the saying, "If you can't eat it, and it don't pour or fold, it's hardware". That included everything from dog collars and sporting goods to what is normally considered hardware. SL93 (talk) 11:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
    • ... that the Simmons Hardware Company was the manufacturer of Keen Kutter tools, which are now collectibles? I added information about their inventory, their salesmen, Kleen Kutter tools, and the year that the company was founded. I also renamed the article. SL93 (talk) 12:13, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Well I've added about a dozens pictures and so much text that I can no longer review this any further. Note This article has changed substantially and has a different title. The reviewing editor will have to decide if this is still within DYK rules. Victuallers (talk) 14:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
    • SL93 (talk) 14:42, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
    • I wouldn't have made it about the company itself if it wasn't one of your suggestions, so it better meet DYK criteria. I would have tried expanding the article on the warehouse if an article about the company itself would make this fail. I appreciate your expansion, but who knows how much longer this will sit here. Now it could possibly be failed? SL93 (talk) 14:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I would like to withdraw this. This has already been on here for 19 days, and I will not risk the chance of having to go through another review where things need to be fixed, due to the article's topic becoming broader. SL93 (talk) 15:10, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

  • I am done with DYK. I nominated two articles for Good Article status, and I will continue to do so. After I gain more experience in Good Articles, I am planning on expanding to Featured Articles. DYK problems - incomplete QPQ reviews, nitpicking over stupid things, and editors who comment and run. People are getting defensive over whether "woman professor" or "female professor" should be used. How can they think that it is alright to keep a perfectly well written article from being promoted sooner, just because of a petty argument? SL93 (talk) 15:32, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Sorry to hear this. Talking of editors who "comment and run" ... do you intend to run? Victuallers (talk) 20:42, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
    • From something that I don't care about and have no intention to participate in again, yes. SL93 (talk) 20:47, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
      • Oh dear, please reconsider - I have re-done this article Victuallers (talk) 23:47, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

The nominator has requested this be withdrawn. This should be done, and Victuallers can start a new nomination. What Victuallers has done is create a new article under this name, copying part of it from the old article without proper attribution (Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia). The article created by SL93 can be found at Simmons Hardware Company. This is confusing on two levels: (1) The above comments refer at least in part to the hardware company article, which this template does not point to; (2) Even though this article bears the same name as the old one, it is in fact a new article with parts of it copied from the old article. A5 of the supplementary rules applies. And attribution needs to be added therein. I suggest Victuallers open a new nomination for the article he's been working on, so it won't be confused here. But this nomination should be closed out. — Maile (talk) 01:34, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry that I missed the attribution. That was a mistake. As you can see I credited SL93 here as the prime author but forgot to correct the history before going to bed. I will make an amendment to the talkpage of this article. I will not repost this as it was my intention to help SL93 given his requests for assistance at DYKtalk. If anyone else cares to nominate it then please feel free. 07:41, 6 August 2013 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Victuallers (talk • contribs) 07:41, 6 August 2013


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