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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 20:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

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Sea rewilding

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Kelp forest in New Zealand
Kelp forest in New Zealand

Created by Melissa Highton (talk). Nominated by Chidgk1 (talk) at 10:53, 19 January 2022 (UTC).

  • The article needs a good tidy up: MOS:HEADINGS (drop caps), MOS:CITEPUNCT, MOS:SEEALSO. Once the latter has replaced the section "Related links", the article won't meet minimum size requirements any longer. Let me know when these basic things are under control. Also, I question the definite article in the hook. Yes, it's used like that in the source given but it's hyping things up to the point that it does not meet WP:NPOV. It might be "a" new way to capture carbon. Schwede66 21:56, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Schwede66: I am a bit confused about the tidying up but I see others have made some improvements - is there anything I still need to tidy? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I tidied the last remaining issue. Others also expanded the article. It’s your lucky day; it’s now long enough. I’ll look at it tomorrow in detail. Schwede66 08:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
As I said, the article is now long enough. It's new enough. I've tidied it up further for use of external links (see edit summary for details). It's neutral but has a narrow focus on Europe (especially England); given that it's an international issue, it could do with a broader perspective. That said, we aren't aiming for perfection and as long as no maintenance tags turn up, I shall let this slide. It's suitably referenced. Earwig is happy. With the edits that have been undertaken, the ALT1 hook fact is no longer spelled out in the article. I've struck ALT0 for clarity. With regards to a QPQ, that is the nominator's responsibility and given that you've got a good number of credits under your belt, one is required for this nomination from you. The image's license is fine, but I'm not sure that it's a great image. There are better images in c:Category:Kelp forests in my view. So there's a bit more to do. Schwede66 08:03, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
@Schwede66: Have stated hook explicitly, changed pic and added a couple of non-European examples. So am I misunderstanding QPQ? I nominated Great North Bog with QPQ Template:Did you know nominations/Teodor Boldur-Lățescu but it appears both on https://betacommand-dev.toolforge.org/reports/logs/dyk/Chidgk1.html and on https://betacommand-dev.toolforge.org/reports/logs/dyk/Melissa_Highton.html So could whichever one of those is the "duplicate payment" be used here? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:27, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
QPQ is outstanding. When you nominate somebody else's article, both you and the article creator get a credit. As the nominator, it's your responsibility to provide a QPQ. It's irrelevant whether the article creator does have less than 5 credits when they did not nominate the article themselves. So once you provide a QPQ, I'll check the hook and image. Strictly speaking, you are in debit with your QPQs as you've claimed Template:Did you know nominations/Safad El Battikh, Kafra, Lebanon and Ayta al-Jabal three times when it resulted in just one credit for the nominator (due to the overlap in content between the articles). As an aside, that edit did not create a ping as explained at WP:MENTION. Schwede66 18:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Schwede66 Have just completed QPQ Template:Did you know nominations/Godzilla Megamullion Chidgk1 (talk) 06:54, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the QPQ. Sorry for being fussy but I'm not happy with the source being used. The quote "the new way to capture carbon" is contained in the article's headline but the body doesn't actually talk about it. Upon reading the article, I discovered that this was attributed to The Right Honourable George Eustice and I've thus gone ahead and watched his speech. And in fact, the headline is editorialised; he didn't say such a thing. And if he did, I missed it. What he did say that is closest to this statement, starting here, is as follows: it is increasingly recognised that enabling our oceans to rewild and recover has got a very important role in carbon sequestration. Have a listen yourself. They have put words into his mouth that I couldn't hear come out of it. As such, it's not appropriate to use it as a direct quote in the article and certainly not suitable as a source for a DYK hook. What I suggest you do is quote what it is that the minister did say. Template:Cite AV media is what you use for citing a speech recorded on YouTube. Then use that as the basis of a hook and attribute it to Eustice. How does that sound? Schwede66 19:13, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Schwede66 How about ALT2? - repeating "sea" seems hooky to me - and it is very short in contrast to the likely length of the other hooks on the same day

  • I'm happy with ALT2. Schwede66 18:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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