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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 23:15, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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Teodor Boldur-Lățescu

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Boldur-Lățescu recovering from his wounds
Boldur-Lățescu recovering from his wounds
    • ALT1: ... that Moldavian rebel Teodor Boldur-Lățescu (pictured) was twice beaten up on circus grounds–once for insulting Wallachian officers of the Romanian Army, and a second time for cruelty to animals? Source: The first incident is detailed in Bogdan, pp. 103, 105–108, 114–115; the second one in Șuțu, pp. 451–452.

Created by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 12:43, 1 December 2021 (UTC).

  • I don't have the books so taking on trust. Checked no copyvio. Asked for a few clarifications. Suggest you translate titles in bibliography. Apart from that looks fine. I prefer ALT1. Please ping me when you have done. Chidgk1 (talk) 19:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying. It is not essential for DYK but if you want to go for "good article" in future I suggest you add the translations of the titles in the bibliography such as "Regele Carol I și a doua sa capitală. Relații istorico-politice scrise din inițiativa primarului Iașului G. G. Mârzescu" and so on. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
  • For reasons I specified elsewhere, I view that as a non-essential burden, and I also don't recall it being a part of the GA process -- not was I asked to translate titles for any of my GAs. It is also rather redundant: the titles in themselves may clarify absolutely nothing about what's in the source, how reliable it is etc., and the translations are bound to create room for superfluous edits: any translation I provide can have alternatives, as long as it is not the official version -- while "Regele Carol I și a doua sa capitală. Relații istorico-politice scrise din inițiativa primarului Iașului G. G. Mârzescu" is pretty straight-forward, other titles are not. Consider "'Valahii ne-au înșelat'. Chestiunea compensațiilor Iașului în acțiunea politică moldovenească după unire (1874–1902)". Is it: "'The Wallachians Have Conned Us'. The Issue of Iași Compensations in Moldavian Political Action after the Union (1874–1902)"? Is it "'Wallachians Have Cheated on Us'. The Issue of Compensations for Iași within Moldavian Political Action after the Union (1874–1902)"? Etc. etc. Any small variation in such translations can be challenged and create discussions that lead nowhere, and for absolutely no benefit to anyone. Dahn (talk) 13:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Forgot to mention - alt text for images is required for DYK - if difficult for you to write I can do for you. Let me know Chidgk1 (talk) 09:34, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
I don't think they are required at all, and they have not been for the DYK article I wrote and which is on the main page exactly as we speak. It's not that I find them difficult to write, it's that I consider them remarkably stupid: it's one thing to tell a visually challenged person what they could be looking at in a diagram that relates to the text, it is absolutely ridiculous, and borderline cruel, to tell them what they could pick up from a portrait. Not to mention that descriptions are bound to be subjective when they veer into any sort of detail that's not also in the caption, and which, if properly written, already spells out what the image is of. Dahn (talk) 13:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Consider: June 1867 cartoon in the "Red" magazine Ghimpele: Boldur-Lățescu and Nicolae Rosetti-Rosnovanu pushing Moldavia off the Tarpeian Rock and into the mouth of the Russian Bear. Prime Minister Ion Brătianu and War Minister Tobias Gherghely are shown attempting a rescue. What would we have in the alt that's not in the caption? "Brătianu is wearing a beard and a frock coat"? That's going to benefit the blind how? Dahn (talk) 14:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Boldur-Lățescu in 1870, while recovering from his fracas with police -- "In case you weren't convinced that this is a picture of a wounded man, he's wearing bandages and reclining in what may or may not be a bed, possibly with white sheets that blend into the background. He's also wearing a mustache and beard, which we're sure will help you conjure in your mind a picture exactly like the one we published". Dahn (talk) 14:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
I am just following what it says at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Reviewing_guide#If_there_is_an_image Chidgk1 (talk) 16:53, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Not sure that alt is in any way useful here. The reviewing guide (which seems not to be a rule per se) does specify that the text would have to be useful. Dahn (talk) 17:00, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

The comment suggesting the hospital pic is crossed out - so you don't want to use that one? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:13, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

  • May I just say that the objections being raised here and on the talk page are becoming downright obtuse? Allow me to list a few reasons:
    • It’s DYK, not FA or even GA. Recent DYKs include: John Land (field hockey) (note the blog post), Hyun Ji Shin (note the level of sourcing on that), Cytosis (board game) (the one-sentence section), Pushbacks in Greece (the neutrality dispute), Mimi Fawaz (the citation to a talent agency and a conference announcement), etc. By contrast, this is a deeply serious article.
    • This idea that we only discuss the subject just isn’t true of any biography, hardcover or virtual. Most people didn’t grow up on desert islands, and you sort of have to talk about surrounding actors. One can’t write a coherent biography of Napoleon without going into his generals, of Thomson Jefferson without lengthy digressions on John Adams, of Hitler without sketching Göring, etc. OK, we have hyperlinks here, but still, given that TBL’s siblings are interesting enough to be covered by the sources but will never have articles themselves, it’s frivolous to object.
    • Also, this concern for the tender sensibilities of bored readers misses the point. If you’re reading about an obscure figure from 19th-century Romania (even by the standards of that time and place), I can bet you appreciate a little extra color.
    • Alt text isn’t required if it’s not useful, which it isn’t in this case.
  • Anyway, let’s stop making Dahn jump through hoops and just pass the thing already. Whatever there was to be said has been said, and anything else at this point is basically wasting the time of a valuable volunteer. — Biruitorul Talk 17:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Approving both original and ALT1 hooks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chidgk1 (talk • contribs)

@Theleekycauldron: Thank you for spotting that. The bit of text was lost during some seriously flawed edit which misread it. It's the part I just restored, and which I think Chidgk1 (talk · contribs) was able to review -- before it had been removed without either one of us noticing. Dahn (talk) 19:45, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

ALT1 to T:DYK/P6 without image

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