- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:11, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
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Leon Rains
- ... that Leon Rains, a bass singer who studied in New York City and Paris, took part in the world premiere of Salome and an early recording of Tannhäuser? Source: several
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Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC).
- If it's alright with you, may I suggest a possible alternate hook?
- ALT1... that later in his life, operatic bass singer Leon Rains also worked as an art furniture carpenter?
- ALT1a... that later in his life, operatic bass singer Leon Rains also worked as a carpenter?
- Looking at the article, I noticed that hook fact and thought it was interesting and unusual that a singer, let alone an opera one, also worked as a carpenter. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- I hear you, but while the world premiere of Salome (opera) gives him a place in time, internationality, and importance (even if that was a minor role), the hobby during retirement says nothing about why he is notable, and what kind of music he made. An "operatic bass singer" could be someone singing in a small home town theatre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hooks do not always need to be about a person's claim to fame or their most notable achievement, they could also be about something interesting or unusual about their lives. For example, Winston Churchill is best known for being a British prime minister, but when he was featured on DYK, the hook instead highlighted his interest in bricklaying, which is something that most people do not know about him (including myself before seeing the nomination). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- I hear you, and of course you are free to say whatever you like about someone like Churchill, or Beethoven, who are known already. I'd appreciate if you did "your" hooks as you like them, and I do mine as I like them, and our reader get a mix. I don't like focus on my subjects' retirement occuations, but on what fascinates me about them. - Today, I need to nominate 2 bios (last day and overdue one day), should look for refs for yesterday's, am overdue in qpqs (estimated 10), really want to work on a FAC-to-be: this perennial discussion about different taste - a very personal matter - is just a distraction. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Anyway, I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/1955 British Kangchenjunga expedition. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- DYK is about writing hooks that appeal to readers, not necessarily the author(s) or nominator(s), so writing a hook solely because it "fascinates me" with little-to-no regard as to if it will also fascinate others is in my opinion not exactly the right philosophy when writing hooks, as it essentially defeats the purpose of DYK (to make a hook interesting to as many people as possible and encourage more readers). But in any case as I already suggested hooks here another editor will be the one to make the final decision. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- We are in a loop, I think, and I just noted something about too much discussion vs. content on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- DYK is about writing hooks that appeal to readers, not necessarily the author(s) or nominator(s), so writing a hook solely because it "fascinates me" with little-to-no regard as to if it will also fascinate others is in my opinion not exactly the right philosophy when writing hooks, as it essentially defeats the purpose of DYK (to make a hook interesting to as many people as possible and encourage more readers). But in any case as I already suggested hooks here another editor will be the one to make the final decision. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hooks do not always need to be about a person's claim to fame or their most notable achievement, they could also be about something interesting or unusual about their lives. For example, Winston Churchill is best known for being a British prime minister, but when he was featured on DYK, the hook instead highlighted his interest in bricklaying, which is something that most people do not know about him (including myself before seeing the nomination). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- I hear you, but while the world premiere of Salome (opera) gives him a place in time, internationality, and importance (even if that was a minor role), the hobby during retirement says nothing about why he is notable, and what kind of music he made. An "operatic bass singer" could be someone singing in a small home town theatre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
