Template:Did you know nominations/Estelle Manville

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The result was: rejected by Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Close paraphrasing/copyvio

Estelle Manville

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• ... that American-born Countess Estelle Bernadotte of Wisborg (pictured) was the leader of a Swedish foundation for the aid of cerebral palsy victims?

Created/expanded by Bruzaholm (talk). Self nom at 10:11, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• ... that there is speculation that Princess Estelle of Sweden was given her first name in honor of Estelle Manville (pictured)?
• ... that Estelle Manville (pictured) was the first person ever to be married to a member of a European royal family on American soil?
• ... that American-Swedish countess Estelle Manville (pictured) is buried in an unmarked section of the memorial field at the Norra begravningsplatsen cemetary outside Stockholm?

• New and long enough; sources look good except for the genealogy site (seems a little sketchy, but I'm not a professional there) -- I checked the NYT obituary and it listed the same information though, so it's good. AGF sourcing; I prefer the second hook (less speculative and more interesting to me at least); the image is sourced and public domain (Commons). Good to go. poroubalous (talk) 17:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• Unfortunately, I don't think that it's true that she was "the first person ever to be married to a member of a European royal family on American soil" -- see previous comment at Talk:Estelle Bernadotte. AnonMoos (talk) 03:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

• I see your point after reading over the Bonaparte article; AGF, the hook source probably does say the fact, it's just that the author of that source might not have known about Bonaparte or not considered her a true royal. As for the alternate hooks, the link citing the unmarked burial didn't work for me, but the cerebral palsy foundation hook is cited and works properly. Would that work for everyone? poroubalous (talk) 15:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

• I agree, all blurbs should be rock solid. So I suggest that the cerebral palsy foundation hook be picked. As her name was Bernadotte at the time, I changed the name and image. --Bruzaholm (talk) 10:04, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

It looks to me like this one was ok'd 4 days ago.--Ishtar456 (talk) 00:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

• I'm concerned that the phrasing used in this article is too close to that used by this source. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:14, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

• Okay, sorry, I'll notify the nom.--Ishtar456 (talk) 22:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

• The sentence is expanded and rephrased - and now also includes anther reference from the Bernadotte Foundation. --Bruzaholm (talk) 10:56, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

• Second opinion, please.--Ishtar456 (talk) 15:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

• Would this be a good hook for use on March 8th, International Women's Day? Need a speedy re- review?--PFHLai (talk) 10:38, 7 March 2012 (UTC) Too late now. Never mind. --PFHLai (talk) 11:08, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

• Time for fresh eyes? --PFHLai (talk) 11:08, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Isn't there more hookiness in the contrast between her title and the prosaic name of her birthplace? How about:

• ALT1 ... that Sweden's Estelle Bernadotte, Countess of Wisborg, was born in Pleasantville, New York? Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 19:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
• Hook: I like ALT1. Not cited though.

Article: New enough, long enough. References need to be better formatted.

Summary: Referencing issues. Haven't looked at other stuff yet. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

• Cleaned up the references. First hook is sourced in New York Times article here: "and was the former president of the Folke Bernadotte Foundation for the aid of cerebral palsy victims." -- Esemono (talk) 01:07, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

• What's wrong with fn10? What is [faktagranskning: Torgny Nevéus]? Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:39, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

• Nothing. Faktagranskning means "world review" in Swedish, but I removed the brackets to avoid confusion with wiki tags. -- Esemono (talk) 10:51, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

• Makes sense now. Paraphrasing still has issues (checked against this source). For example, I see two examples of verbatim copying. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:02, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

• Copy edited the article to eliminate any close paraphrasing. -- Esemono (talk) 04:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Hmm... I visited the article after Esemono's editing, and I found it to be rife with close paraphrasing of sources including the New York Times obituary and this Google translation of a Swedish source. It's an interesting biography of an estimable person, but... --Orlady (talk) 03:18, 25 April 2012 (UTC)