Template:Did you know nominations/Dr. Franklin E. Kameny House

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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 15:37, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Dr. Franklin E. Kameny House edit

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... that the 2006 nomination for historic listing of the Dr. Franklin E. Kameny House, Washington, D.C., home of gay civil rights activist Frank Kameny (1925-2011), was unusual for the significant person still being alive, though he died just before the listing was accepted?

Created/expanded by Farragutful (talk), Doncram (talk). Nominated by Doncram (talk) at 02:28, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Shen Yin Shu / {{Did you know nominations/Shen Yin Shu}}--do ncr am 21:27, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

~~Without extended quote that is about Kameny, rather than the house, it's too short. And there should definitely be less duplication. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 02:46, 23 November 2011 (UTC)~~

I jumped in to address the duplication concern and also expanded a bit. It now meets the minimum character requirement. Cbl62 (talk) 03:53, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

It met the character requirement without the quote, and the other concern expressed does not seem to relate to any specific DYK criteria. But thanks Cbl62 for developing the article. --do ncr am 18:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

My apologies, sir, for some reason I thought the criteria was 5000 characters, not 1500. Struck my review.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

The current hook is too long at 270 characters. I suggest the following alt 1 hook: ... that the Franklin Kameny House received historic landmark designation while its namesake, considered the father of gay activism, still lived there? Cbl62 (talk) 03:59, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Cbl62, I like this alt1 hook much better (long time since my last DYK) dm (talk) 04:08, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Cbl62 and Dm for your comments, and the alt hook. I knew the hook was too long and would have to be refined. I see your point that the place did receive a local historic designation while he was still alive, so it is accurate as well as being short enough.

Ideally, though, I would rather that a final hook suggest, directly or indirectly, something about the recentness of the death of Kameny. The long-existing article about Kameny himself is not DYK-eligible; the recent NRHP designation is newsworthy and worth using to achieve a wikipedia front page mention of Kameny in a timely way. Not saying my original hook achieved that well, but at least it worked in "2011" as date of death and that the historic designation was after that. Also, I don't know how unusual it is for a local historic designation to be about a current home of a living person. I do believe it is quite unusual for an NRHP designation for the significance of a person, to be for a living person. As you probably know, there is a general rule that a historic event must have occured more than 50 years ago, for a site to be NRHP-listed. So I'd prefer for the hook to be about the NRHP designation, if a suitable wording can be found. This can stay open for a while. Thanks! --do ncr am 18:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Editor Farragutful has added a nice picture to the article, yay! I do welcome other suggestions, but how about:

... that the Frank Kameny House (pictured), home of the recently deceased gay civil rights activist, was just a few weeks later listed on the National Register of Historic Places?

--do ncr am 18:11, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

or make that "Frank Kameny House (pictured), Washington, D.C. home..."?

or make that "Frank Kameny House (pictured), Colonial Revival Washington, D.C. home..."? --do ncr am 16:01, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

... that the Frank Kameny House (pictured) was listed on the National Register of Historic Places just a few weeks after the death of the gay civil rights activist?

dm (talk) 14:10, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

That's fine by me, though harder to incorporate "Washington, D.C." into. --do ncr am 16:01, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

"the gay civil rights activist" makes it sound like there's only one.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:13, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

ALT3 ... that the Frank Kameny House (pictured) was listed on the National Register of Historic Places just a few weeks after the death of its namesake activist for gay civil rights? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:21, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Why don't we remove "for gay civil rights" from the link? "Namesake activist" is sufficient to indicate the subject of the link, and "for gay civil rights" would look better if it were normal text. Nyttend (talk) 01:35, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Works for me.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 01:42, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Done. Nyttend (talk) 04:25, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Length and date both check out. ALT3 is appropriately referenced in the article. Spotchecks reveal no evidence of close-paraphrasing except where unavoidable. Good to go. Harrias ^talk 13:07, 10 December 2011 (UTC)