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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 22:59, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

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Catalogue of Works of Carl Friedrich Abel

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Portrait of Abel by Gainsborough
Portrait of Abel by Gainsborough
  • ... that the new Catalogue of Works of Carl Friedrich Abel, the catalogue of compositions by Carl Friedrich Abel of now 420 works, has a famous portrait of the composer (pictured) as the title page? Source: [1]
    • Reviewed: Musical Instrument Bank
    • Comment: This is intended for the composer's tercentenary on 22 December. The catalogue was written in five years. The article was begun in May, sent to draft, restored with added source. I missed two days since, - please forgive me. I'd love to see his little dog on the Main page on his birthday, him composing, and his instrument - he was the last master of the viol.

Moved to mainspace by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 07:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Catalogue of Works of Carl Friedrich Abel; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: No - IMO, this hook isn't very interesting- lots of books have pictures of people on the front. Perhaps feature the fact that the project was revealed at the Abel 300 festival, or discuss how long it took to write and why
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 01:50, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the review, MyCat! You are of course right, but I tried to make the now forgotten person interesting by the image: he was a celebrity in London painted by Gainsborough twice, and is pictured both as a composer and viol player, - eye-catching and much information without loosing space in the hook. I thought I had to make a connection to the image in the hook (having been told we can't picture Clara Schumann in a hook about a song cycle dedicated to her). But if you don't think so:
Portrait of Abel by Gainsborough
Portrait of Abel by Gainsborough
Or variations. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Approve above four ALTs, with a preference for ALT4. Odd with the Clara Schumann image thing- I haven't ever heard that. Hope it can get on the main page in time! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 13:01, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Even ignoring that "(AbelWV)" is not an interesting addition, parentheses at DYK are to be avoided unless absolutely necessary, and these are not necessary. Whoever promotes this should drop that portion of whichever hook is chosen. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset, MyCatIsAChonk, Gerda Arendt, and Narutolovehinata5:: just a slight query over this - the hooks, and particularly the last one, say that "the catalogue was written because he was born in Köthen 300 years ago [today]". Well firstly, I don't think there's any source saying it was only written because of his birth town, so that needs a tweak. But I'm also not sure even the 300-anniversary claim is fully supported. The source is (I think) [2], which says "This catalog is just in time for the 300th birthday of Carl Friedrich Abel"; so it's acknolwedging the completion before the tercentenary, but not saying necessarily that the catalog was specifically written for that anniversary. It might be more like a coincidence or a useful deadline for it to be completed, rather than an active decision to write a catalog purely because the anniversary was coming up. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 21:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
That does seem to be the case. At the very least, it probably means that ALT3 and ALT4 as currently written are unsuitable given that they claim that the catalogs were written for the 300th anniversary of his birth but the source does not explicitly state that. Maybe there's a German source that could be more explicit, however. For what it's worth, the current German sources in the article do not support the catalog being made specifically for the 300th anniversary, only that it was published "in time" (which does seem vague). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:39, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
You could take ALT2. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Amakuru, I agree, using ALT2 would be best here. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 01:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm fine with ALT2, especially now that the special occasion request window has already passed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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