Talk:Zathura: A Space Adventure

"Jumanji in space, without Robin Williams"

It seems that that comment comes from this review ( http://www.inlander.com/spokane/article-7926-black-hole-fun.html ).

I've added it, and replaced the "citation needed" with the appropriate tags.

--Special Operative MACAVITY^{Debrief me} 19:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Lou Lumenick of the New York Post said much the same thing. https://nypost.com/2005/11/11/bored-by-game/ -- 109.79.69.160 (talk) 09:34, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

See Also

Why is there a reference to Nick Drake's Bryter Later?

Planetary ring

Isn't the Planet Ring (Meteor Swarm) probably the first correct representation of asteroid fields in space; they have always got them wrong in Star Wars and Star Trek. Perhaps we should mention that this film is noteable merely for its CGI representing the Planetary Ring Field.

That's a good point. I remember the opening to ST Voyager had the ship's reflection glimmering off the ring of a gas giant. 06:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)...

Disputed paragraph

Is it reasonable to argue that the squares in the house represent any kind of architectural style? Rectangular rooms and TV sets are common. 06:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Oxygen in space or the conventions of a genre

"The film has several mistakes such as the future Walter enters wearing a space suit but when young Walter is sucked into outer space for cheating, future Walter flies out using a jet pack without so much as a space helmet and then they come back into the house without having frozen to death or dying of asphyxiation. There is also a bit where they fire a flaming sofa at one of the Zorgon ships, but this impossible as fire can't exist in outer space due to lack of oxygen." - Dude, It's a movie about a magical board gaem. I think this kind of thing can be overlooked.

Anybody watching Science Fiction on TV should be used by now to the idea of a force field holding some air for a certain distance around the house. --AlainV 20:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

It must also be remembered that the film relied heavily on what people assumed space to be like in the 1950's. Remember that the first actual humans didn't get into space until the 1960's, so nobody really knew if space was a vacuum or not, explaining why they aren't sucked out of the house. Anonymous 7:07, 4 February 2007 (GMT)

• Idiot. The first man in space was 1959. And for centuries it was known that the air gets thinner as you go higher. The world-view of the movie is kids' comic books, not any kind of science.

• There's no cause to be rude. If it was 1959, then that still counts as the 1950's, but both of you must realise that this film also draws influence from the space serials of the 1930's, where characters still moved in space without the need for spacesuits. And even if our Anonymous friend knew this in the first place, there is no need to begin childish name-calling, as there is no need for such slanderous remarks. User:Crablogger, 6:22, 25 February 2007 (GMT)

Walter mentions that the air could run out at any time. MindWraith 05:27, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• If the game has the ability to make things happen on its own whims, I think it can provide oxygen, gas, water, etc to a house floating in space... NeosMagus 23:54, 19 July 2007 (GMT+2)

• That`s exactly what I thought. After all, in Jumanji, animals appeared without any reason. The game CAN transform the environment. And Crablogger`s right too. 1959 is really near 1960. We are talking about 1950-1955. User:Gamesrcool

• On top of this, many historians lump certain years into other decades. For example, I once saw a history book that put the 60's decade as ending well into the 70's because the FEEL of the decade continued well into that timeframe. Plus, note that we traveled into space in 1959, but I don't think anyone went outside the ship for some time. Just how did mankind prove that space is a vaccuum? Bauerman24 (talk) 06:10, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe everything isn't self-explanitory?

In the card descriptions? -dogman15 05:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Renaming

Zathura has been renamed Zathura: A Space Adventure, according to IMDb. I will change the title. Please leave a comment if you oppose to the move. Limetolime 17:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Troll vandalism?

What's all this troll stuff doing in the cast list? I'm removing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caustic Armadillo (talk • contribs) 16:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Chronological

Just for the record, the summary is completely out of chronological order. I'd try and fix it but I didn't catch the -entire- film, I don't want to flub things up in a different direction, that would be pointless. Lots42 (talk) 11:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Goats

Is the goats ref really that important? It's not like the goats actually did anything except be scary...and a lot of other things not mentioned were also scary. Lots42 (talk) 16:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Prequel?

How is this considered a prequel? I'm gonna change it.98.117.134.132 (talk) 01:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Cards Game Section

I removed this section for redundancy. Lots42 (talk) 20:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Video game played

OK I'm curious - what video game were the boys playing at one point earlier on in the film? I imagine though it's not worthy of inclusion in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.69.220 (talk) 12:19, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Jak 3. At the part with the catacombs.99.165.89.68 (talk) 15:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Reorganize and overall work needed

I an currently watching this movie, and everything in this article is entirely out of order, not to mention this isn't quite what I expect as far as quality goes on Wikipedia. For example, most other pages about films are far more thorough, contain more details, and in-text links to actor pages/character pages/etc. I have added a cleanup tag and an issues tag to the article. It needs serious work. Chrisbrl88 (talk) 08:39, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2014

I would like to edit the critical response on the Zathura (film), because the tomato meter is updated to 75%. 2600:1006:B110:B5D0:F407:DFC5:6263:1582 (talk) 17:51, 9 May 2014 (UTC) 2600:1006:B110:B5D0:F407:DFC5:6263:1582 (talk) 17:51, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done thanks for helping wikipedia! BZTMPS ★ · (talk? contribs?) 18:30, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2015

A document viewer called Zathura was named after this movie. I was hoping to add a link to the document viewer in a ;See also" section, like so:

See also

• Zathura (document viewer): A lightweight document viewer named after the film.

Cryptarch (talk) 04:03, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: Since this claim is not cited in the Zathura (document viewer) article, reliable sources will be needed for this request. Mlpearc (open channel) 02:53, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2015

It says that Radar Pictures produced Zathura. Is that true? 98.246.92.242 (talk) 03:10, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. You say "It says that Radar Pictures produced Zathura", but it's unclear what you are referring to you when you say "it says". What's "it"? The article? As of this version I don't see "Radar" in the article. Please expound. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2016

2606:A000:880C:700:44D0:3682:F49:E3B2 (talk) 17:35, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 19:21, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

US poster

Could I put the poster that I added back? Tjdrum2000 (talk) 18:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Why? What rationale is there for change? If you think the new one is better, then explain why, but otherwise I guess not. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:36, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: MOVED. (non-admin closure) KSFT ^(t|c) 01:21, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

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Zathura (film) → Zathura: A Space Adventure – The title of the film is Zathura: A Space Adventure, it was used in the opening credits from the film was released first in U.S. theaters and the same as the film's theatrical poster itself, as well as the IMDb website. 1.32.73.54 (talk) 13:00, 20 July 2017 (UTC). --Relisting. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:2DBB:5CB9:A2DD:51C6 (talk) 00:20, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

• Move to Zathura (and move Zathura to Zathura (picture book). Like Jumanji, the film appears to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over the book that inspired it; it receives over 83.5% of the page views of all other uses, despite the book being located at the base name.[1] Barring that, yes, Zathura: A Space Adventure is an acceptable title; it is widely used WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:01, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
• Support No need to move from it, the name of the film is Zathura: A Space Adventure, because it was used as the American theatrical poster and the opening credits of the film is true and the name of book was Zathura, support the title change for the film. 60.49.73.60 (talk) 04:22, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2018

Adarshraj10 (talk) 16:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

its running time is wrong, its not 113 minutes, it will only be 101 minutes, pls correct it as soon as possible

 Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:25, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Dead URL

I can't edit this page but this URL died http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051112/news_1c12zathura.html here is an archive of it http://web.archive.org/web/20121015021302/http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051112/news_1c12zathura.html

Someone fix it. --Bringback2ndpersonverbs (talk) 01:18, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks Bringback2ndpersonverbs (talk · contribs). I've just changed the link to the correct one, without recurring to the Wayback Machine. Tajotep (talk) 10:57, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Characters' last name

It can be somewhat confirmed as "Budwing", according to the novelization. Idk how "official" that's considered to be, however, as compared to the actual film credits or DVD special features possibly confirming the family's last name. Posting here because no one bothered stating any rationale for changing the family name to "Browning" or "Budwing". --UltimateKuriboh (talk) 05:44, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Normally film articles list cast as they are credited in the film, according to WP:FILMCAST.

Is there a Novelization of the film or did the editor above mean the original book? -- 109.79.168.179 (talk) 22:03, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

To answer my own question it seems that yes, there is a Novelization of the film separate from the original book.[2] It is available to read online (login required to borrow and read past the covers and index) at the Internet Archive:

Zathura, the movie : junior novel -- 109.79.168.179 (talk) 22:10, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

There are several other tie-in books from Houghton Mifflin Books too. -- 109.79.168.179 (talk) 22:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Saw this on TV years ago

Saw thiss on TV years ago..wasn't too bad...just isn't shown very offen... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.5.89.217 (talk) 01:24, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Sources

The Web Archive has a magazine rack archive section that has some sources related to Zathura:

• Starlog magazine, issue 340 https://archive.org/details/starlog_magazine-340JPG/page/n63/mode/1up
• Starlog magazine, issue 341 https://archive.org/details/starlog_magazine-341JPG/page/n29/mode/1up
• Starlog magazine, issue 344 https://archive.org/details/starlog_magazine-344JPG/page/n85/mode/1up

I wont be adding them to article myself anytime soon so I'm adding them here so I don't forget and so maybe someone else might use them to improve the article instead. -- 109.79.177.141 (talk) 22:01, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@109.78.211.204: the article is starting to experience daily vandalism again. I unprotected it for you to make improvements, which you've done. If the disruption continues, however, I'll have to restore the protection, which means you will need an account to continue editing it. Are you nearly done with the changes you intended to make? ~Anachronist (talk) 03:17, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

It seems as if some people get upset with the idea that this is Jumanji 2. I can also see some people are determined to vandalize the cast list, not follow the recommendations of WP:FILMCAST and add unhelpful details about the Astronaut.

I've made the changes I intended and many more.[3] This is still far from being a complete and good quality article (it might pass for B Class) but I've made the bulk of the easy edits I was hoping to make, and doing more would be increasingly difficult, diminishing returns, and so on. Someone with the DVD extras and time and patience could probably do a lot more to improve the article. If I feel there is something particularly compelling that should be added to the article I suppose I can always suffer the process of submitting requests using Template:Edit semi-protected but once it is locked I'll probably go do something else.

I believe in open editing but I understand there is the cost of increased maintenance that comes with that. Do what you have to do. -- 109.79.184.48 (talk) 02:03, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@109.79.184.48: I'll keep it open a while longer and observe. Keep going, you're doing good work, way more than what could have been accomplished with edit requests. If you're at the point where further changes can be handled via requests on the talk page, that would be a good time to re-protect. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

There's not much more I can do, not easily anyway. (Expanding and detailing the Producion section is possible but I'm not planning on doing it.) Maybe the 15th anniversary will throw up a few more articles but I'm done with this one for the foreseeable. -- 109.79.184.48 (talk) 04:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

VHS

I'm going to remove the claim that this was one of the last major films to be released on VHS, it has been tagged as Citation needed for over a year. It was definitely released on VHS, it's listed on Amazon.com, but there is no indication that it was particularly notable. The sources I found say that A History of Violence was the last major film released on VHS, and it came out in November 2006.[4] Zathura is a 2005 film and apparently it was released on VHS in February 2006 but there seem to have been at least a few other films released on VHS in 2006.[5] So while it may be a prized personal possession for few people out there, it doesn't seem to be any more notable than my VHS copy of SpongeBob. -- 109.76.134.169 (talk) 00:34, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

See also / Nick Drake

I'm trying to figure out why Fly by Nick Drake is referenced? 174.16.172.193 (talk) 05:36, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Can you explain what you mean by your comment? What reference are you referring to? Or are you asking about the line in the Bryter Layter article that states "Fly" is referenced in this film? Long ago in this article's history, Bryter Layter was linked in the "see also" section here, and that article still currently states that the lyrics to the song "Fly" are "heavily referenced" in Zathura. It could just be a very old hoax. I haven't found a reliable source for it, but I didn't look too hard. --Fru1tbat (talk) 14:13, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Sci Fi

Many people have different opinions about the definition of "science fiction" and I am not here to perpetuate that endless discussion. What I will do is restore the status quo. There is an anonymous editor persistently changing the WP:FILMGENRE from science fiction to fantasy, without any explanation whatsoever. If anyone disagrees with the genre they should start by following the simple rules and explaining their changes with an edit summary, but after they have been repeatedly reverted they should WP:DISCUSS and should show reliable sources to support their changes.

I expect the disruptive editor will continue to edit war but I do hope other editors will revert those changes or show reliable sources. -- 109.76.203.156 (talk) 17:37, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Locking the article does not seem to be enough to stop this unexplained change happening yet again.[6] Please revert. -- 109.79.75.129 (talk) 20:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Change X "science fantasy" back to Y "science fiction

or restore the WP:STATUSQUO and revert[7] the recent edit that changed it without any explanation or discussion. -- 109.76.192.23 (talk) 13:05, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Actualcpscm (talk) 17:20, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. As I noted above I understand that people have different opinions about the definitions of sci-fi but if the film genre is in any doubt we can take a closer look at what reliable sources say and weigh them accordingly. -- 109.76.192.23 (talk) 02:22, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Cast list

Per WP:FILMCAST the cast names should be listed according to the End credits of the film. (I included a warning comment in the wiki source to remind or inform editors who might not be familiar with the guideline.)

• For example the end credits lists Dax Shepard's character as "Astronaut" and not The Astronaut.
• The family name Budwing is not include in the end credits, so should not be included in the Cast list

Unless there is first a discussion to establish a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS and to do things differently from what the guidelines recommend then please do not change the cast list section. If you see it has been changed please restore it. -- 109.76.203.156 (talk) 17:46, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Unlock

Or sort the grammar problems in the plot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.85.206.243 (talk) 11:38, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

editors are more likely to respond positively if you make a very specific request of the form Change "X" to "Y". See also {{Semi-protected edit request}} -- 109.79.175.98 (talk) 14:58, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2022

Currently: Walter demands that the astronaut leave, but Danny chooses to let him stay. Growing increasingly agitated, Walter accuses Danny of cheating of moving his piece prematurely; when hw tries to move the piece back and takes his next turn,

After: Walter demands that the astronaut leave, but Danny chooses to let him stay. Growing increasingly agitated, Walter accuses Danny of cheating of moving his piece prematurely; when he tries to move the piece back and takes his next turn, 63.153.183.120 (talk) 14:13, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done MadGuy7023 (talk) 14:15, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Website?

Someone added a link to the "Official website"[8]. This is not really an "official website" for Zathura, it is a single holding page on the Sony Pictures website as part of their home media listings. Movies used to have promotional websites with lots of information and advertising for this film, and this is not that. This Sony catalog entry is of little value and not worth including in this encyclopedia article. -- 109.79.75.196 (talk) 13:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Film#External_links "Wikipedia's guidelines for external links say to consider each link on its merits" -- 109.79.75.196 (talk) 14:47, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Plot trim

An editor trimmed the plot section[9] and although the bit about the pilot light might seem unimportant in the story it is a specific recent example of why the older brother was so annoyed and unwilling to forgive his younger brother. A plot section needs to explain what happened, but a better plot section can also incude some of why things are happening. It would be better if some of that could be restored so it doesn't seem like Danny is an unforgiving jerk for no reason, that he is annoyed at his little brother sometimes is justifiable. Also it explains why the Zorgans come back.

It is also unclear why an editor repeatedly insists on restored the word "cantankerous"[10] [11] [12] [13] [14] to describe the teenage sister. It seems overcomplicated and out of place with the reading level of the rest of the plot section. Simpler words such as grumpy or surly might be better, or maybe not including an extra adjective there at all because when describing a teenager those words are practically redundant.

When the bicycle falls from the sky seemed like the final point that punctuated the very end of the film, the last beat of the drum. On one level, for the sake of brevity, I can understand removing it[15] but it shows how the unreality of the game isn't entirely separate, and encroaches on the real part of the world in story, it wasn't "all a dream" type story. If editors really feel brevity is more important you could cut the paragraph back even further to be more concise and end with "to back in the house as it was before the brothers started the game." -- 109.79.75.196 (talk) 14:15, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

In the plot section, please replace X "cantankerous teenage sister" with Y "teenage sister". -- 109.79.73.37 (talk) 17:54, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Clearly this has some resistance, so it will need consensus. I'm pinging Pborri, who has been restoring that term, so it can be discussed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:17, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

At no point has Pborri even attempted to explain their changes with even so much as an edit summary, Pborri keeps making the same change over and over without any explanation, so I think your being highly optimistic expecting any reply at all. Anyone editing as long as they have _must know_ that repeating the same change over and over again without any explanation is not constructive.

As for gaining consensus for a simple copyedit and brevity, I don't see how I am actually supposed to achieve that on a low activity article like this short of requesting a WP:3RD opinion. -- 109.77.198.153 (talk) 12:27, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

As I've noted, this change has been reverted in the past, so there's clearly no consensus for it. I feel that waiting a few days for Pborri to respond isn't too much to ask at this point. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:30, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

No response. Previous behavior showed Pborri was unwilling to explain and edit collaboratively and nothing has changed. Please revert their unhelpful insertion of the word "cantankerous". I would also recommend reverting all the recent edits by banned sock puppet User:Decodingw. -- 109.79.73.1 (talk) 18:06, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I got a good laugh out of this. Something about the clash of personalities, and a long-term user with a simple "I'm Pborri." in their profile. Anyway, while I'm here, someone please italicize Variety and The Hollywood Reporter under "Critical response". Or not, I don't much care this instance. 70.163.208.142 (talk) 05:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done and  Done Mike Allen 20:09, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm not sure what the second "Done" was referring to as the changes by banned sock-puppet User:Decodingw were not reverted ... his changes are debatable mostly but in particular his habit of repeating the film title over and over again is not an improvement. -- 109.79.78.194 (talk) 03:35, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

On closer inspection I see the second "Done" was probably referring to the requests by IP user 70.163.208.142 but I'd still like to see the sock-puppet edits reverted if it is not too much trouble. -- 109.79.78.194 (talk) 03:38, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I reverted some of their edits and performed a few tweaks. Mike Allen 16:08, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. -- 109.76.202.219 (talk) 14:48, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Finally

In the plot section please replace X "When Danny finally wins the game" with "When Danny wins the game," (because later in the paragraph "finally the boys bond" and it reads poorly to repeat the word finally twice in close succession). Presented in this format because the guidelines require it but editors are welcome copyedit the Plot section as they see fit to address poor phrasing and repetition in general. -- 109.78.193.90 (talk) 14:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for flagging - I've copy-edited the "Plot" section. Please give it a read-over and be sure to let me know if I've missed anything! EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 19:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks.[16] Personally (as I know I have a tendency to be overly verbose and make side comments that ultimately aren't that important) I would not have used a parenthetical, I would either try to summarize and omit the extra information or include it directly. It's fine though. -- 109.78.196.114 (talk) 10:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)