Talk:ZGMF-X10A Freedom Gundam

Merging ZGMF-X20A Strike Freedom Gundam into Here

Since the Gundam Seed meta-series is to be set as a trilogy, and given the existence of the ZGMF-X20A Strike Freedom, it can be speculated that the ZGMF-X10A Freedom is only the first of the "Freedom" class of mobile suits --Pfalcone 01:11, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, I prefer these page still separate because of notability and quite different features. It is like why separate F-15 Eagle and F-15E Strike Eagle; F/A-18 Hornet and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. Strike Freedom is a distinct, evolutionary upgrade to the Freedom Gundam. May be if possible, I would say if any new "Freedom" MS should come out in the next Gundam Seed, we just merge them in Freedom-class Mobile Suit (Gundam SEED) (since there is another Gundam named as Freedom). Draconins 10:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't think we need to rename this article. Just treat SF and whatever new Freedom as variants. L-Zwei 10:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I am still not convinced that they are variants because: Different engine, major evolution on weaponry system (Not only use the mere upgrade but changing some nature of weapon), different philosophy and different manufacturer. IMHO, Freedom is medium range multi lock MS (though many time Kira use it in close combat, relying on its speed) , Strike Freedom is all range MS and much well balanced (Short range improved upon the Chest, DRAGOON, and "Speculative" Joints; Long Range improved on combined rifle and DRAGOON). FYK, IMHO, Justice is close combat MS. Draconins 15:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Fine, it just that I don't think it's need to change article name. In addition, the term class rarely use for MS. We never see people call ZAKU Phantom a ZAKU-class MS for example (Gundam-type MS isn't uncommon term though). L-Zwei 16:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

no, it do not support that. Its like strike noir and strike. They are all in different sections.R1e2u3b4e5n6 14:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Too late, merge is result we got from AfD nom on CE era MS/MA. If we don't merge it, there is nothing to save these articles from deletion. L-Zwei 16:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Noir and Strike are variants, no major change AFAIK, compare them with combined differences of both Freedom' engines, natures of weapons, and manufacturers. I do confirm it changes the appearances, but not the others except it add weapon nature on some retracting-cable weapon. If we want to separate article on Strike Noir, we at least need to wait until Noir become more notable. It is like waiting MG or PG Model for it, or may be the next Super Robot Wars. IMHO also, you may add separate article for compiled MS in Stargazer. Draconins 14:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, Just a minutes ago, I have received phone from my home that my order for MG Model of Strike Freedom have been received. Another reason to keep separate article as the AfD, adding the notability. Well, I heard that the first batch had been sold out and that next batch would come in January , 2007. Draconins 15:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Another thing to note is similarity between F-5 Freedom Fighter and F-20 Tigershark. They have same frame while had different capability (Tough F-20 Tigershark failed). More of it, F-20 was designated F-5G. Draconins 20:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

The Freedom and the Strike Freedom are two diffrent MS. They may look the same but thats about it, the SF is based on the Freedom the SF is not just a upgrade as the heat signature is different from the origenal Freedom.Also the most likely reason why the new SF and infinite Jusitce are based on the old ones is because of there reputation. If you would merge the two files then you should also merge the original GAT weapons because they are all based on the Duel.

You don't notice that most of GAT-X series articles were deleted, right? L-Zwei 04:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

More than that, Heat signature doesn't fit to explain. Do you know Chaff and Flare? Flare is useful because they can cheat by pretending they are actual target. In real world, even same fighters doesn't produce same signatures. Draconins 09:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

As others have said, they're different mobile suits that happen to have similar names and aesthetic similarities. But aside from the cockpit equipment (shared with several other mobile suits as well), there are few if any actual parts that carry over from Freedom to Strike Freedom. It would be akin to giving the MiG-29 and Su-27 a merged page; they look very similar (moreso than Freedom and Strike Freedom, actually), but are actually two very distinct designs. Draconins' example of the F-5 and F-20 is also apt; they're considered distinct machines despite using the same airframe, while Freedom and Strike Freedom don't use identical frames. Redxiv 23:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with the MiG-29 and Su-27 examples. Don't forget with Su-30, Su-32, Su-33, Su-34, Su-35, Su-37. They would look same with Su-27 on common people's eye. Even between original gundams, many beginners have difficulties to distinguishes them (except zeta and double zeta, maybe). Draconins 00:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The SF cannot be counted as a 'variant' of the Freedom. Both MS are vastly differnt, although I do agree that they are visually similar. The SF's Dragoon system allows it to escape from situations where the Freedom would have problems escaping, for example soon after its initial launch, two Gouf Igniteds used their heat rods to trap the Freedom. If not for the Dragoon system, there would have been no way for the SF to escape. Furthermore, the PS applied to its beam rifles makes them more resistant to damage, if there was no PS, the heat rods would have destroyed the beam rifles. The SF is also much faster, and as mentioned above has a different heat signature from the Freedom. In its inital descent to earth, the SF moved too fast that the Minerva's sensor spec disregarded the possibilty of it being a MS. This also showed the different heat and radar signature as the sensor could not identify it, while the Minvera was able to identify the Freedom easily before when it appeared in battle. If the Strike Freedom was indeed a variant and not a truely different MS, it stands to reason that it would have similar performance and heat signature, and that if this was the case, the Minerva would have been able to identify it as the Freedom, but as it failed to, showed that the Strike Freedom is a totally different Gundam. The Strike Freedom also utilized a different power source from the Freedom, using a hyper-deuterion nuclear reactor instead of an normal nuclear reactor like its predecessor. The Strike Freedom Gundam's Hi-Mat system is also capable of deploying into an advanced performance mode, extending outwards for increased maneuverability, while the Freedom's own Hi-Mat could not do so, and required 5 pairs of wings to achieve the same effect the SF did with four pairs of wings, even though the SF had Dragoon components stored in its wings. The differences between the two are not very obvious cosmetically, as both do indeed look similar, which is why Shin Asuka mistook it for the Freedom in battle. But it cannot be ignored that the Strike Freedom is a totally different MS from the Freedom, unlike the Strike Noir, which is merely an updated version of the Strike with a Noir Striker pack.what we do now is what matters 17:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

If thats a problem there is always the chance to rename the Freedom page to the ZGMF-X10A Freedom series or something along those lines since I feel that because of the of that ZGMF-X10A Freedom Gundams name then it would only be for that suit only but if it were renamed then it would specify for both suits and not just one. -Adv193 02:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

GAT-X133 Sword Calamity vs ZGMF-X10A Freedom

Is it true that they fought at the battle of Jachin Due? This is said at the Edward Harrelson profile.Justix-nl 13:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it happened in the manga. IIRC, Ed won, but Kira was able to talk him into helping the TSA. Jtrainor 00:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)