Talk:Yusufzai/Archive 1

Archive 1

Don't Delete Information!

The first or Old Language of Yusufzais is Hebrew.In their History They've been exiled a lots of time Mostly From Jews and Because the settlement in different areas they adopted the different languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.178.238.89 (talk) 08:17, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I Yousafzai is one of the major Pakhtun tribes - to say that the majority speak Hindko would be quite offensive to a Yousafzai hence such misinformation would have straightaway been deleted. I haven't come across a Hindko speaking Yousafzai but of course there must be some of them around Manshera or Haripur. At any rate, I assure you, if you cross the Indus and enter Yousafzai lands, you wont find anything but Pushto (rather Pukhto). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.33.183.1 (talk) 11:27, 26 March 2012 (UTC) i swear that hindko is not a mother tongue of pushtoonz hindko is limited to certain area in KPK' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.165.242.61 (talk) 09:06, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Folks, none of this information is usable unless it can be footnoted to a reliable source. So if you want it to be in the article, please go to Google Books, Google News Archive, or some other authoritative place and find something we can WP:Cite to verify this information.MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:21, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hindko would be quite offensive to a Yousafzai? That is quite rude and racist. We should respect a language even if it has no speaker at current.

Their First Language Pashtu but not for all Yousufzai

There are many Yusufzai's that live in Lahore and north of Lahore in the districts of Sialkot and Wazirabad. While their physical features, dress, names and mannerism are still very much Pashtun, they are predominantly Panjabi speaking. A section should be made about them aswell.in my knowledge its true that in mansehra they speak hanko but they also speak and understand Pushtu. even they proud to speak Pushtu and been pushtoon.

In Pakhtun culture language is the most important thing. Cross the indus and if you can't speak pushto, ur claim to being a Pakhtun will never be taken seriously. In fact mostly you will be made fun off. There are a lot of Pushtuns in Punjab indeed, but they are seen to have forgotten their culture. though your right, they should be mentioned here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.33.183.1 (talk) 11:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Merge with "Yusafzai"

This page should be considered for merger with the paged titled "Yusafzai"

well hindko is a nice language BUT yusufzai has their own language Pashto or pukhto, so they dont need other tongues. you can speak hindko and please continue to do so but please dont say that other people , who are not KHARYAAN, like us Yusufzai also speak hindko. sta de khpala jabaa mubarik sha awo zama de khpala. da khuday pa amaan

(Moved from article)

{the spellings of “Yousaf” are not correct, so the titlr be changed to YUSUF AND Yousaf may be given within brackets. Thus bothnthe articles be merged}

{Yusufzai = {Prof. Dr. Muhammad Aslamkhan, Geneticist and Anthropologist, aslamkhanm AT yahoo.com

PS. More latter

Yusufzai

It should be spelled "Yusufzai" not "Yousafzai." Secondly more than 90% of the Yusufzai tribe speak Pukhto (or Pashto) VERY few speak Hinko and those that do, speak it as a second language. I being a Yusufzai who has lived in NWFP know this!

±==Afghans==

I muhammad yusuf khan being a "yusufzai" want to inform you that mostly people consider us as a pakistani.it's true but our ancestors are from afghanistan you can visit http://www.khyber.org/pashtotribes/y/yusufzai.shtml like other afghanis we are not pure from afghanistan so we called as pathans(pakhtun) of pakistan.no its wrong every one claims to be a yousafzai but every one cant be a yousafzai.i can tell you that yousafzai are only in mardan,peshawer,malakand agency,sawat ,buner and dir also.and those people who speak hinko are not yousafzai.they are hinki.

You forgot Swabi!! a whole district of Yousafzais — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.33.183.1 (talk) 11:35, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

QUETTA

I am also Yousuzai, Residing in Karachi. Our Grand father migrated from India in his diary he wrote about our ancestor They belong Sistan/ Baluchistan ancestor come trough Kabul i think it was gateway and that time our language was Persian and we were chief of tribes.My ancestor came with Jehangher to Dehli he was appointed as Minister or Prime Minister of Bengol i think!(Dhakka).0301-8224115 --115.42.64.102 (talk) 08:55, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

There are many yousufzai living in Quetta also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.142.77 (talk) 19:04, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

−== My History (Yusufzai)== Im a Yusufzai and I was born in Quetta(Pakistan) my forefathers was migrated to Quetta from a small village Near Kandhar (Afghanistan) and that is before the separation of pakistan and india. Some of my forefather's cousins went to NUKUR(India) to seek work. they are still in India and we now belong to pakistan. As they were lived in India they speak URDU and we speak Pushto. the whole history heading does'nt tells that many of us YUSUFZAI live in Quetta also. I will be writing more about our history here in coming days. S.I.Khan--member311 05:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

swabi):yusufzai is a big nation originally from afghanistan you can find the real families related with yusufzai elders and genrales which are mostly situated in district swabi like dewan khel the family of gaju khan baba as most of you know him and buner swat but khans in yusufzai tribes are directly belong to the real yusufzai masharan(elders) and genrales if you want to know more about yusufzai,s you must watch the video gaju khan baba who was born and raised in kabul afghanistan then there families migrated during the masscare of ysufzais in afghanistan my mughas,uzbeks.thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.185.90.65 (talk) 18:08, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

purity

Concerning the statement "Their manner of speaking Pashto is universally recognised as being the purest among all Pashtun tribes" (emphasis added):

By and large, each Pashtun considers his own dialect to be the 'normal' way to speak Pashto, although the Kandahari dialect enjoys the most prestige (at least among the Kandaharis), and serves as the basis for the writing system. [...] It is highly probable that one tribe's opinion of another's dialect of Pashto reflected, and still reflects, the tribe's general opinion of the other. [Tegey & Robson 1996,* page 7]

I therefore recommend deleting that statement.

* Tegey, Habibullah, and Robson, Barbara. 1996. A Reference Grammar of Pashto. Washington, DC: Center for Applied Linguistics. ED399825. http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/contentdelivery/servlet/ERICServlet?accno=ED399825 (Reference is to the original page number. The ERIC PDF is stamped with ERIC's own page numbers, which are valid for the PDF but are in general greater by 13 than the original printed page numbers, which are also visible on most of the pages.) Thnidu 20:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Tanoli claims to be Yusufzai

Can any knowledgable user throw any light on this issue? Do the Yusufzai accept Tanolis as a branch of Yusufzai? Can you come on to the Tanoli talk page and discuss this as there is a user claiming this but hasn't helped with any evidence. Thanks--Alcides 12:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I am a sawati Yusufzai.My forefathers belongs to sawat and they have migrated from sawat. People in mansehra who claims himselves as sawati's are yusufzai's. Indeed they have migrated with Shah Ismail Shaheed, who came here to fight with Seikh Raja's ruling here. Shah Ismail Shaheed has grave in Balakot any body can visit there and can have look there all the history is written there how he came and has been defeated. Because he was the person who visited different areas to get soliders to fight against the Sardar's. So alot of people came, Sawati came with them. They were not the sigle tribal's came with them but the major one's were Yusufzai, Jadoons and Tareens. After defeat some were killed in war and the rest have sttled in this area. Yusufzai got themselves settled in Mansehra, Jadoons in Abbottabad and Tareens in Haripur. They still exist in these areas. Now come to the point of langauage, because this area is papulated with hindku speaking peoples and costs like Kashmiri's, Awan's, Gujjars and many more costs. All of them are speaking mostly Hindku only Gujjar's speaks gujri but similar to hindku. Now what happend that they were in dominent position and big in number as compared to them and so these pashtun tribes were supposed to learn there languages for communication.Also they got marraiges from these families. In the begining it was not effected that much but as on and on relationships were getting stronger it has been effected much. So in the current stituation there are some Yusufzai's who cannot speak Pashtu. Specially Jadoons and Tareens' they have totaly forgetten the pashtu language, but Yusufzai's are still speaking the pashtu language but there are some who cann't. But this will be unfair because it is not mandatory that the person who will speak Pashtu will be pathan or pakhtun. This matter of race and they are yusufzai.Because anyone can learn pashtu and can speak this language, it does not matter. Because i know alot of Sardar's in Peshawar who speak pashtu will any body will catagorise them as pathan. No way because they are not by cost pathan's. I think I have cleared the issue.

Tanoli's are not pathans nor yusuf zai. They are the local's who belongs to Tanwal. It is the geogharphical cost name upto my knowledge.But in mansehra they does not catagorised himselves as yusufzai's

for your information

brother for your information tanoli not belongs to Tanwal.Tanoli migrated from Afghanistan.Tanolis came to Swat from Afghanistan after the invasions of Sultan Sabuktagin. They came to form a new state The head of the Swat state at that time was Anwar Khan Tanoli. where most live in afghanistan Gardaiz Paktia and Ghazni. Tanoli also migrated from a place called Tanubal River in Afghanistan. The Tanoli is the name of a Pashtun tribe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.18.98.77 (talk) 10:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Tanoli Khan

The Tanoli Khan's initially allied with the Abdali army in The Third Battle of Panipat which took place on January 14, 1761 at Panipat (Haryana State, India) where they famously defeated 250,000 strong army of Marathas with an army of only 60,000 soldiers, from allied tribes. Sardaar Mir Zabardast Khan Tanoli was granted allied Chiefship of Hazara together with other Chiefs of repute and was conferred the title of Suba Khan for his bravery against the Marathas.

But when the Durrani empire began to crumble, the Tanolis successfully broke free of the Durrani control and again became independent. Sardaar Azim Khan killed the Tanoli Chief Nawab Khan Tanoli in this struggle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.18.98.77 (talk) 12:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

moved from article

yusufzai lived in india's villages they are now joint with marrige relationship to mughals,kshstriaya(converted muslim called Kahanzada)muslims.their languges is now local language like bhojpuri, khari boli,awadhi,etc.Rare population of yousufzai is illtrate now.but at the time of british rule they were very poor and illitrate and works like solders of zamindars and some in the government police.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Zafarkhangalaxy (talk • contribs) 15:16, 18 October 2009

I moved this text from the article. It's very badly written and with no sources but maybe someone can make sense of it and make a good text for the article. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Flag of the Yusufzai

Do any of you know who posted the flag of the Yusufzai and has it been actually been used by the Yusufzai historically speaking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.24.81.159 (talk) 02:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

The Flag of Yousafzais was made by some fairy-tale fiction artist. There is no historcial evidence. He has inserted the jewish lion, the joshua tree, and a shield which is quite european as oposed to the round shields used in these areas. It's fiction and must be removed from this page. I will work on this page to make it better. We know quite a bit of Yousafzai history, which should be here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.33.183.1 (talk) 11:54, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I've removed this 'flag'. If you look at File:Afghan Tribal Flag - Yusufzai.jpg and File:Afghan Tribal Flag - Dilaazak.jpg it's pretty obvious these are fantasy flags. Dougweller (talk) 14:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Mandooris of Mardan

Mandoori elders say that they are Yousafzai but I can't see anything about them here. why is that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.241.71 (talk) 12:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC) Can any one tell me when yousufzai enter in afghanistan,, as i read in histroy that when Alexander the great enter in swat ,they fought with swati yousufzai and i think the orignal place of yousufzai was swat from the era of Alexander the great to now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.92.152.68 (talk) 05:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

The Orignsl yousufzai are swati becos the swati was living thousand of years in swat, as yousufzai belong to Hazzat yousuf AS,,so Hazarat yousuf AS was king and the history of swati pathan shows the have rulled hundreds year in area pakistan and afghanistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.92.152.68 (talk) 05:01, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Yusufzai is the most common spelling

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tanoli

Tanolis are 100% pure pashtun tribe originated from Ghazni and gardez afghanistan.They are part of karlan group of pashtuns.There are many tanolis living in afghanistan.Their original language is pashtu.They are related to zazai,mangal and tani of paktya.Tanawal is their strong hold. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.48.51.212 (talk) 02:17, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

yes i agreed with you tanoli,s are pashtoons trib. But he is changed the language and speak the local language hindko. the following history is also correct . thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.50.195.247 (talk) 06:03, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Material from Bellew, etc that I've deleted

As for the plagiarised material about the Afghan genealogist, as Bellew says "The fictions of the Afghan genealogists and historians are absurd enough, and their facts wonderfully distorted" it would obviously be misleading not to make that clear. Nor do I really see why it should be in this article. The Sarban stuff isn't in the main article Sarbans and discussing the legendary Afghan ancestor doesn't seem relevant to the history of this tribe in any case. But as I've said, if it's not in the 'parent' articles when it actually applies mainly to them, it doesn't belong here. Dougweller (talk) 13:56, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

The editor adding this is edit-warring and not discussing it here although I asked him to. I've just deleted it again. Bellew is the only person I can find who makes the Suyraban claim, so it clearly doesn't belong here. He also, at least in "Journal Of A Political Mission To Afghanistan In 1857", doesn't claim the Afghans are all descendants of Saraban. He says

"Kais married a daughter of Khalid bin Walld, and by her he had three sons born to him in the country of Ghor; viz. " Saraban," "Baton," and " Ghurghusht." Kais is said to have died at the age of 87, at Ghor, in the 41st year of the Mohammadan era, corresponding to the year 662, A.D.

From these three sons of Kais, the whole of the present existing tribes of Afghans trace their immediate descent in 277 tribes, or "khail." There are besides these 128 other khail, who, with the Afghans, are called " Pukhtun," but who have a separate origin assigned to them, as will be noticed hereafter. Of these 405 tribes of the Pukhtun nation, 105 khail have sprung from the eldest son Saraban, and are collectively called " Sarabanai." From Batan have sprung 77 khail, in two divisions, viz. " Batanai," comprising 25 khail, and " Mattl," consisting of 52 khail. These last are also known as " Ghilzai." From Ghurghusht have descended 223 khail, in two divisions, viz. " Ghurghushtai," 95 khail, and "Karalanai," 128 khail. This last comprises all the tribes of Pukhtuns who are not Afghans."

More at Talk:Sarbans. Dougweller (talk) 13:05, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Akhund Darweza

The text I deleted mentioned Akhund Darweza but was from a website, we need academic sources. Darweza's writing was influenced by religious motivations, which is understandable. This snipped[1] is interesting but we'd need to see the context - " Akhund Darweza, appropriated Afghan history and the Afghan genealogical idiom to serve another purpose," - which seems to have been to promote Islamic values. Dougweller (talk) 12:22, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Removed tag

Someone added a tag here that the article Tanoli be merged here, but Tanolis have no connection at all with Yusufzai Pashtuns; so i have now removed that . Thanks 39.54.113.45 (talk) 15:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC) Col (r) Mumtaz Khan, Pakistan

Removal of information from antiquity

This article used to make a mention of how Alexander the Great encountered the tribe called Isapzai/Esapzai, which lingers in another article. However, this article only makes mention of the origins from the 16th century. 2601:2C6:4501:BD50:3D19:3127:C6F:A106 (talk) 04:10, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 March 2019

(Copyright violation redacted by User:Þjarkur)

Akbarbuneri (talk) 22:11, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done – Copy pasted from here: http://www.barmazid.com/2016/01/yousafzai-tribe-early-history.html – Þjarkur (talk) 22:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Not only in Pakistan and Afghanistan

Some Indians also are... Nasir.Hafeez.Khan (talk) 17:44, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@Nasir.Hafeez.Khan: see WP:VERIFY. Doug Weller talk 18:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 August 2019

I request the admin to change the title from Swat state and Sikh Empire to just Swat State as in the following para there is no mention of Sikh empire with nay reference to Yousafzai or the swat state. 203.82.59.7 (talk) 04:08, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done Alduin2000 (talk) 18:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2020

Ancestors of the yousafzai were the yuezhi from the Tarim basin region who being displaced by the xiongnu moved to the Ïlli region,then to Bactria,displacing the wüsün,then being displaced themselves again,forced to fight their way southwards,ending up founding the Kushan empire under kujula kadphises,which was latter broken and absorbed by the a second wave of invaders from Bactria, the wüsün,previously defeated by the yuezhi. Before all this it is likely that the yuezhi came from Oghuz Turks of Caucasus/Oghuz Yabgu region. Ahsan43410 (talk) 19:14, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2020

you wrote under Mythical genealogy that qais abdur rashid and khalid ibn walid were kinsman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.Asad khan yousafzai (talk • contribs) 07:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC) Qais abdur rashid and khalid ibn walid were not kinsman.khalid ibn walid was arab quraish-sub tribe banu makhzum and it is a historical established fact. Dr.Asad khan yousafzai (talk) 20:43, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:03, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Wrong

The people in the photo are Afridi tribesmen not yousafzai so please change it 99.247.39.72 (talk) 02:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2021

KhanKhelYousafzai (talk) 12:21, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pupsterlove02 talk • contribs 12:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2021

swati khel is also sub tribe of yousufzae 001Ashraf001 (talk) 10:17, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

swatikhel 001Ashraf001 (talk) 10:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 16:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)