Talk:Windsor

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An anonymous IP inserted the falsehood that 'New Windsor' was not a historic name for the Berkshire town. See [1] and [2] for a demonstration otherwise. Morwen - Talk 13:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Should 'Windsor' go straight here?

Shouldn't entering 'Windsor' go directly to the article on the town in the UK? After all, I think I'm safe in saying all the other uses derive from there... WingedPig (talk) 07:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed! Johnbod (talk) 12:29, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation is not a question of which topic officially owned the name first — it's a question of evaluating the comparative notability of all topics with the name. In this case, there are at least four topics on this list for which you can make a moderately credible case for "primary" status, which is why a disambiguation page is the appropriate use of the plain title. Bearcat (talk) 05:19, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed - just because something was the origin of a term should not mean it is the "primary" page on Wikipedia. For example, I note that Ford directs to the motor company and not its eponymous founder, Henry Ford. However, in this case, I think that the town in Berkshire is the primary use of the term and by far its principal meaning. I can't see that any of the other articles on the Windsor disambiguation page are of comparable status. What are the four topics you have in mind? WingedPig (talk) 11:46, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I concur with WingedPig. The "No Surprises" WP policy is relevant here. I can't imagine that one user in a hundred entering "Windsor" into the search engine would expect to be taken to anywhere other than the town with the Castle. How is this to be taken forward? Tim riley (talk) 23:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Bearcat; I think it should remain the way it is. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 01:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

And may one ask the answer to WingedPig's question about the plausible other primary meanings? Tim riley (talk) 09:07, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Windsor, Ontario is a plausible other primary. Its population is 10x that of Windsor, Berkshire. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 13:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Interesting. I hadn't run across it before. Is it well known, do you think, outside Ontario? Tim riley (talk) 15:38, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's well known. However it's far from well known enough to start usurping Windsor in Berkshire. That might be said to have happened for Washington and York, but not for Windsor, or for that matter, Birmingham. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Point taken. I think, for instance, one would be pretty eccentric to suggest that Boston in Lincolnshire has even a ghost of a claim to primacy over Boston, Mass; but Windsor, it seems to me, is, well, Windsor, and all other Windsors are Windsor-in-so-and-so. I wish there was a tool that would tell us what visitors to WP searching just on the word "Windsor" end up going to, though. Tim riley (talk) 16:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

There is such a tool, here [3], if you want to look up which Windsor-related articles are the most viewed. Zarcadia (talk) 19:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Interesting – thank you, Zarcadia. If I've just used the tool correctly the Canadian namesake gets a lot more hits than the original, but what the tool doesn't tell us, and I don't suppose any tool could, is how many people typed in "Windsor" expecting to be taken to England and how many were thinking of the Canadian one. All the same, I don't think people will suppose The Merry Wives of Windsor is set in Canada, nor the Royal House of Windsor based in Ontario, and it seems to me a touch perverse not to use the original Windsor as the starting point. Tim riley talk 21:01, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem Tim Riley, the Grok page view counter is a really useful tool for establishing a primary topic but, of course, only by page views which is only one of the criteria for PT along with long-term significance. I put three of the most likely targets in (there are so many on this page, please let me know if you think I missed another likely one!) and Windsor, Ontario does have more page views than Windsor, Berkshire, but the English town surely trumps it on historical and long-term significance. However the House of Windsor beats the Ontario city by 2:1. I think the status quo with Windsor being a disambiguation page is probably for the best. You're more than welcome to open a request to move the page, it could be an interesting one.

I've linked to the page views below:

Windsor, Berkshire has been viewed 26216 times in the last 90 days. [4]

Windsor, Ontario has been viewed 53595 times in the last 90 days. [5]

House of Windsor has been viewed 116050 times in the last 90 days. [6]

Zarcadia (talk) 18:19, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Zarcadia for your research and good counsel here. For my part, I'll take your hint and leave matters undisturbed, but if anyone more valiant (or rash) than I cares to press the point I'll be a willing foot-soldier in the cause of the Berkshire Windsor. Tim riley talk 18:31, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

In short, there are so many uses of the term Windsor, this will and should be a disambig page. Having it as a disambig page is the only practical way to properly disambiguate the term. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:05, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Disambig pages are not listings based on the term

The purpose of a disambiguation page is not as a listing for articles using the term, it is to enable a differentiation where an item can be called by the word. So a "red windsor" cheese is not called a "windsor" and should not be on the page. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:54, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Windsor, Berkshire which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 23:44, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Why is there no mention of the Merry Wives of Windsor?

Why is there no mention of the Merry Wives of Windsor? WordwizardW (talk) 09:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

"Windsor, Wisconsin (disambiguation)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Windsor, Wisconsin (disambiguation) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 10 § Windsor, Wisconsin (disambiguation) until a consensus is reached. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

"Windsor, New York (disambiguation)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Windsor, New York (disambiguation) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 10 § Windsor, New York (disambiguation) until a consensus is reached. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:27, 10 March 2023 (UTC)