Talk:Wendela Bicker

Proposed merge of Johan de Witt with Wendela Bicker

Wife does not appear notable on her own. Slywriter (talk) 20:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I disagree, she has a lobg biography and Notable connection and some-what notable Life. DailyJew (talk) 01:20, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

DailyJew, there is one sentence about her in this article. So please explain how she is notable. Slywriter (talk) 01:31, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Just be the part SPECIFICALLY on her isn't long winded, doesn't make her non-notable; there are plenty of Short-Articles. There are paintings of her and a long family history(related to her). DailyJew (talk) 01:40, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Plus, if she was really non-notable someone would have Nominated this Article for Dletion by now. DailyJew (talk) 01:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

DailyJew, what makes her notable? That's the standard for an article. Existence is not notability. Lineage is not notability. Slywriter (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

If the question can't be answered then a merge will happen and if the merge is undone, AfD is the next step. No deadline, so no hurry to accomplish. Slywriter (talk) 01:43, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

I believe that what is given here is notable. Just because she does not have a long-winded Biography does NOT by any means make her, non-notable. DailyJew (talk) 01:44, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

I think that it would be best to allow other People to pitch their Opinions before you do anything to this Article. DailyJew (talk) 01:45, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

DailyJew, other editors can weigh in at AfD, since I assume the merge will be opposed without any answer on what makes her notable. Slywriter (talk) 01:49, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

I think it would be Best to Nominate this Article for Deletion to see What the Community thinks. I do not know how to do so however, could you possibly?? DailyJew (talk) 01:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Done. WP:TWINKLE makes it much easier. Slywriter (talk) 02:32, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

So the AfD nomination was closed without consensus. I voted Keep and in that line I also vote against merging the two articles. Wendela Bicker is notable and requires a standalone article not only because who she was, what she did and what she left behind, but also, and in my mind primarily, because of the discussion about what she represents or was said to represent. As one of the first Republican First Ladies in modern history, as opposed to spouses of absolute monarchs, she had to define a novel model. And she did, or at least that is how historians described it. Her story is essential to the analysis of the role of women in 17th century the Netherlands. Can we close this merge-discussion also as no consensus? Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)