Talk:Want You Back (Haim song)

Requested move 17 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Primefac (talk) 13:52, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

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Want You Back (Haim song) → Want You Back – This is the only song under this exact title that has an article (Want You Back (Tim McGraw song) is a redirect), but right now the target article redirects to "Want U Back" by Cher Lloyd. Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 08:59, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose: This seems unlikely to be dominant as a single topic that readers are looking for when they seek "Want You Back", as they may not be familiar with the idiosyncratic spelling of the Cher Lloyd song and the Me-2-U song and may also be looking for other topics including the Tim McGraw song and many others. I suggest that Want You Back should redirect to I Want You Back (disambiguation), which has these three topics and various others that the reader may be seeking. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:07, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support – Only song with that exact title. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:5C27:2F31:29B9:AAC1 (talk) 03:07, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support per WP:SMALLDETAILS. This is the only article with this the title, and Want You Back is currently mis-redirected to a song with a different title. Hat notes will be a better way of disambiguating than the current confused setup.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:52, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose - the present arrangement, redirecting to the dab page is the best. The Cher Lloyd song, and some of the others are basically the same title, and the Haim song is not primary over that. And that's before we even consider that readers may type "Want You Back" when looking for the Jackson 5 song.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:39, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
  • It's "best"? Per your opinion, or per policy/guidelines set by the community? --В²C ☎ 22:03, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. Considering the high likelihood of people not knowing the exact titles of such songs, this fails both primary topic criteria. Andrewa (talk) 04:56, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support. Whether people know the exact title is irrelevant, per WP:SMALLDETAILS. This is the WP:COMMONNAME for this topic, and no other topic on WP has this name, so WP:PRIMARYTOPIC does not even apply. Done deal. None of the opposition cites any policy or guidelines supporting their oppose positions. I hope the closer remembers that WP is not a democracy and that community consensus as reflected in policy and guidelines cited here should determine the outcome, not counting !votes. A hatnote at the top of the article referencing "Want U Back" and the "I Want You Back" dab page will take care of errant landings on this page. --В²C ☎ 22:03, 31 May 2017 (UTC) changing !vote - see below. --В²C ☎ 16:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. SMALLDETAILS recognizes that a difference between two titles doesn't always amount to a sufficient practical difference; we should bear in mind the broader criteria, which note that a good title unambiguously identifies the article's subject to the reader. In this case, while there's certainly a technical difference between the titles, the question is whether that's enough to be unambiguously clear... and I'm not sure the idiosyncratic you/U thing quite reaches that bar. Others may feel differently, but if there's appreciable disagreement on whether a title is ambiguous I think it's best to put readers' interests first and err on the side of clarity by retaining the parenthetical. ╠╣uw [talk] 09:37, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
  • The very idea that ambiguity in the context of WP title decision-making refers to anything other than finding a unique title for each article is misleading and contra-indicated by the enormous body of titles. There is no other article that is referred to as Want You Back in reliable sources. There is no evidence that anyone seeking with "Want You Back" would likely be seeking any other article, which we determine by seeing how much reliable sources use this title to refer to any other topics: there are none. --В²C ☎ 23:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

None? Did you check? Examples of the Cher Lloyd song given as "Want You Back" aren't hard to find.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] As to your first point, title ambiguity may extend beyond the mere technical distinctness of its characters. Policy notes that small details are only usually sufficient, and that it's reasonable to consider less ambiguous titles. (Note also recent decisions like Hawaii Five-0.) ╠╣uw [talk] 01:26, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Okay. --В²C ☎ 16:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose per Huwmanbeing. Reliable sources routinely refer to the Cher Lloyd song "Want U Back" as "Want You Back". --В²C ☎ 16:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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