Talk:Vien (Hasidic community)

Viener Kehilo Change to Nusach Sefarad. An is not a Chasidic Dinnasty. It was a Kehal Charedi from Vienn, now its more hasidishe.

This article contained some utter nonsense. I tried to clean it up a little--Ortho (talk) 21:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Vien is not a dynasty in any sense, let alone in the hasidic sense. Wikipedia defines dynasty as "Belonging to the same family, who, through various means and forms maintain power, influence or authority over the course of generations." At no point to date, has the Rabbi of Kahal Adas Yereim been the descendent of the previous Rabbi. Thus the classification of dyansty should be removed.

The congregation was formed in 1941 in Williamsburg by recent refugees from Vienna who who left after the Nazi takeover of Austria. The sought to recreate to the fullest extent possible the Shiff Shul in Vienna, which was completely non-hassidic and did not have dynastic succession of their rabbis. Vien was not part of its articles of incorporation in 1941 and not part of its formal name for at least several decades afterwards. It was known locally as the Viener Shul (the Vienna Synagogue) but there was no reference to a Viener Rebbe. The rabbis starting with Yonasson Steif were known as the Viener Rav (the Rabbi of the Vienna Synagogue). Rav is the usage for a non-hasidic rabbi of a community).

Part of the confusion is that the congregation in Williamsburg has become progressively more chasidic as non-hasidic orthodox Jews have mostly decamped to Boro Park. Ther is a Boro Park Adas Yereim, which more firmly retains the non-hasidic traditions of thre community.

These distinctions are unrelated to levels of religiosity. The congregation self consciously call itself the Congregation of the G-d Fearers. In the fifties their machine matzos came in boxes which used the word "ultra orthodox."

It would be a great help if someone could secure a copy of their articles of incorporation and could also determine if the name was ever formally changed to include the word Vien AlterManLopin 13:50, 30 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DannySteinmetz (talk • contribs)

I cleaned up the article some more. -- -- -- 00:46, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

OK. I renamed the page to Vien (Hasidic community), and created a separate page named Vien (Rabbinical dynasty).

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Is there any other reason, other than ignorance, why this community is consistently referred to as 'Vien'? It should be 'Wien' and 'Wiener' (regardless of any possible poor puns), since the kehilo originated in Vienna or 'Wien', and most of its original members were perfectly capable of spelling correctly and confident enough not to resort to the presumed 'yiddishisation' of German words. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.205.7 (talk)

I just did some more cleaning up of lots of incorrect spelling, punctuation, and grammar. Consistently spelling words the same way is a good thing. I see that cleanups have been going on since 2009, and yet there is still some potential for improvement. (Also: hello from the future, 2009 people. We're really sorry about what a bad job we've done with the world since then.) I had to pull out the big "Citation needed" guns on the "Viener Yeshivah" section. It claims that the yeshivah was "one of the foremost leading yeshivos in the USA", and that the yeshivah "counted more than 150 rabbinical students". Possibly all true, but that's got to be documented and proven. (And this is all written in the past tense, as if the yeshivah doesn't exist anymore. No doubt quoting a source would help with that confusion.) Finally: One does not simply walk into Wikipedia claiming that a yeshivah is "the jewel of the Kehilla". Arabicas.Filerons (talk) 09:54, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Sources

These articles I found may be adequate sources for (parts of) this article: http://www.jewishpressads.com/printArticle.cfm?contentid=31737 + http://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute.do/37428 By the way: The Schiffschul (correct spelling) has an wikipedia-article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiffschul -- Otto Normalverbraucher (talk) 02:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I inserted part of the above into the article. -- -- -- 00:46, 1 March 2011 (UTC)