Talk:Undercut (hairstyle)

Wording

Perhaps it would be better to title the page as "Undercut (hair style)".

Maybe, although undercut can also refer to the bowl cut and longer curtained hair. Besides Undercut and Hitler Youth, this haircut is also sometimes known as a Macklemore.

While a "Hitler Youth" cut includes an undercut, obviously not all undercuts are Hitler Youths. The article should be called "Undercut" with the Hitler Youth as a subsection. Neither of the example pictures on the page of Skrillex and Beckham are Hitler Jugend cuts. Since Hitler Jugend is a popular haircut nowadays, perhaps set up a redirect from that to this page. I confess I've no idea how to do a redirect or rename an article, some kind undercutted soul doing it for me would be appreciated. 188.29.164.91 (talk) 18:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

 Done per WP:NPOVNAME JoshuaWalker | Talk 03:09, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

The Name is a bit...

If the hair cut predates Hitler and is Now Disassociated with Hitler is it raelly fair to call it the "Hitler Youth Haircut" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.201.227 (talk) 10:30, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

It's still a popular name, and it's "official" name as far as there's an authority on haircut names. It was made popular by the HJ, many photographs exist, it's the most well-known example of the cut. Of course it implies no modern-day connection with Hitler's politics. Generally modern-day fascist youth shave their heads completely. 188.29.164.91 (talk) 18:03, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Harry Styles' hairstyles.

I've removed the reference to Mr Styles sporting this hairstyle in a film twice now, so: I do not believe this article is an appropriate place for this information, and even if it were, the Controversies section would not be where one would put it. Yes, Mr Styles sports the hairstyle, but the concept of the hairstyle is not informed in any reasonable manner by Mr Styles sporting it. At best, "tabloid reports that Harry Styles sports haircut in film" could perhaps go into some section or other of the article about the film. --Ae Daily (talk) 16:57, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Altright emphasis on article about haircut

Osama57 (talk · contribs) added the categories and templates Alt-Right in this article. User:Osama57 is also alleging that the haircut is commonly associated with Altright, even though it has also been associated with many other things (from Rihanna to Beckham). Is that strong association of a relatively common haircut with a fringe and extremist subculture warranted? Should the article contain the Altright templates and categories, and should it say that it is commonly asssociated with alright? See the recent edits by User Osama57 in this article. --Dekacarandaebonelm (talk) 18:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

If you read the news, Alt right groups in both Britain and America are aware of this haircut's links to the 1930s, and it has become very common among the followers of Tommy Robinson and Richard Spencer. They seem to want a more respectable, corporate image rather than the shaved heads normally associated with the far right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osama57 (talk • contribs)

Almost all references are just tabloids like DailyMail or Esquire. The only mainstream article (Washington Post) notes that the haircut has also become the choice of fashionable young liberal men, gay and straight.

And this sentence seems wrong:

• During the mid 2010s, some British schools have banned the so-called Hitler Youth cut as an extreme hairstyle.
  • The references don't say anything about "Hitler", even the words Undercut or Altright/Rightwing are not mentioned. The article is probably just about too short hair. --Dekacarandaebonelm (talk) 16:08, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

I have removed the "alt-right" category until this RfC is closed. The page most certainly should not be included in the "alt-right" category. I would also support removing the entire Controversies section but would like to hea:r feedback from others first before I remove it. Meatsgains (talk) 01:34, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm also removing the Altright template for the same reasons.--Dekacarandaebonelm (talk) 13:33, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

The controversies sections should be kept, but feel free to change the wording to explain that the undercut was given these associations by the tabloid press. Three or four years ago undercuts were the choice of fashionable young liberal men and non-political soccer fans, but now the haircut is associated with the alt right in America.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Osama57 (talk • contribs)

@Meatsgains:. I would support reducing the "controversies" section to one sentence in the Revival section.

The image that was added in the gallery about Wehrmacht soldiers with an undercut seems like Original Research. I would support the removal of it.--Dekacarandaebonelm (talk) 10:16, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

If everyone agrees with the current version, we can close this discussion.--Dekacarandaebonelm (talk) 12:11, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 23 November 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move. There is consensus that the hairstyle does not outstrip the economic practice in terms of PRIMARYTOPIC. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 15:48, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

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• Undercut (hairstyle) → Undercut
• Undercut → Undercut (disambiguation)

– Primary topic by pageviews. Looking at the disambiguation page, the price slash is called "undercutting", not "undercut". The boxing punch is far more widely known as an "uppercut". The manufacturing terms get far less views, and the film/book are extremely minor. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 07:53, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. I had not heard of the hairstyle before I read the article. The fashion for the hairstyle has come and gone, and has come again, and it will likely go away again. The disambig page lists 9 meanings. In England, "undercut" can also mean the part of a hindquarter of beef that also becomes the fillet steak. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:05, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. No clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:01, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:RECENTISM. Something isn't a primary topic because it's popular for a blip on the pop-culture timeline, but when it has long-term, sustained pageviews in the strong majority (or dominance in paper reliable sources) and lasting encyclopedic significance, which one of a zillion random hairstyles does not. The nom's rationale is faulty in other ways, like failing to recognize that "undercut" (in the price-slash sense) is the original verb form of the derived noun "undercutting". This is the second case in a few minutes now where I've seen Zxcvbnm giving linguistically ignorant move rationales, so I again have to suggest that Zxcvbnm stick to something the editor has a better understanding of, since dealing with this firehose of mostly ill-conceived RMs (I've had to oppose about 85% of the editor's recent long string of them, all of them cases where most or all other respondents are also opposing) is a time drain on other editors.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  18:23, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

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