Talk:Trionfi (cards)

Overlap with early tarot / tarocchi?

The introduction says

Trionfi are 15th-century Italian playing cards with allegorical content related to those used in tarocchi games.

So I'm assuming this article is meant to exclude tarot cards proper? But all of the images and much of the discussion in the article relates to tarot, and might be better placed in Tarot#History. Or maybe we should create something like a History of tarot and trionfi article to put shared information? MattF (talk) 22:09, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't think "all of the images and much of the discussion in the article relates to tarot" is true. These are cards for card games, not fortune telling. Tarot (disambiguation) begins: "The tarot refers to a pack of playing cards used from the mid-15th century to play games and, later, also for cartomantic packs of cards used for divination." "Later" being from the 18th century on, apparently. By "tarot cards proper" did you mean Tarot card games or Tarot card reading? Johnbod (talk) 02:45, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

@MattF. Trionfi was the name of the additional non-suit cards introduced to create the early Italian tarot packs and given the role of trumps. Around 1500, the name trionfi was transferred to the trump suit in ordinary packs, and the original trionfi were renamed tarocchi. So the article should properly restrict itself to the trump cards in 15th century Italian tarot packs, whereas Tarot covers the whole subject of Tarot cards across Europe and down the centuries to the present. I reckon this article pretty much sticks to its brief. Bermicourt (talk) 15:50, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah I see, that makes sense. I was under the impression that trionfi was mostly used to refer to decks not using the traditional tarot trumps (like the Sola Busca), but I don't see why I thought that. Thanks! MattF (talk) 21:52, 9 April 2023 (UTC)