Talk:Toyota Carina

Toyota Carina or what?

I grew up thinking of this car as a Toyota Carina from the late 1960s. Either that or my mind is going. According to the wiki entry the Carina only came along in 1970 at which point it didn't look like this. Confusion can easily arise from Toyota's habit of giving different cars different names in different places. But .... does anyone know what this is, please? According to the UK car tax data base the car was first registered (at least first registered in the UK) in August 1971, and featured a 1588 cc engine.

Thanks, if you did, for sharing any thoughts. Charles01 (talk) 14:02, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

True, this car has a lot in common with, eg, the 1978 model pictured. But check out the 1970 model pic here for greater similarity in the wheel trims, etc. There is another one here. There's not a big gap between 1970 and the late 1960s, eh?! Cheers Bjenks (talk) 16:00, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, BJ. I think that works for me.

I think I was confused (1) because I did not look carefully enough and (2) because the paragraph on the first generation Carina appeared to have been matched with a picture of the second generation Carina.

I've now moved the second generation image to the info box by the second generation Carina, and inserted 'my' first generation Carina image with the first generation para. If you'll have a moment to check out what I did I hope it will make sense. Otherwise correct it! I also took the liberty of moving the info in the caption accompanying the second generation image to the second generation para. That's because (1) the second generation para was looking seriously text-light (still does) and (2) I think lengthy image-captions are out of place in an info box. That's partly a question of personal judgement, of course. So I hope mine isn't dramatically out of line with that of the person / people who kicked this section off: I sense you may have had some inputs here...

Regards Charles01 (talk) 16:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

PS There seems to be a delay at present for matching up images with relevant pages, so probably better not to look at what I did for an hour or so ....just in case you were intending to

You're right—I made the '2nd generation' mistake in the first place, and applaud what you've done. I also notice the top picture is duplicated below, so have taken it out. Bjenks (talk) 17:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Americanized

I don't recognise any of these cars as a Toyota Carina, unlike these:

1) Carina II: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Toyota_Carina_II_in_Utrecht.jpg or http://www.gellir.cc/amazon/images/Toyota_Carina_II.JPG

2) Carina 3: http://www.mbzponton.org/valueadded/other/tirepaint/mb_tire_paint_Toyota_Carina_Una_Haraldsdottir.jpg or http://cache.finn.no/mmo/5/169/492/45_101111686.jpg... 83.108.208.23 (talk) 03:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Anyone for translating Japanese?

I see absolutely no point in having entries like the following in English Wikipedia. Hopefully someone can render them fit for human consumption and wikify them enough to reinclude. Until then, we're better off with blank spaces. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 03:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

[Start 'Japanese' text on Third generation (1981-1988) A60 Series] {{rough translation}} 9 released in 1981. The last model rear wheel drive vehicles. 4A-GE engine was the model. Corona from this model (model change next year) that share a chassis. The 1800SE is also a window cling to power, after the pioneering figure of FF1800SE Extras "EXTRA・EDITION" was added.

Years 1981 and 1982, Paris in the hands of private teams racing in the Dakar Rally Japan =. Especially in their finish in 1981, modified class car-free, 2-wheel drive class, BACKGLASS, 4 achieved a championship in the marathon class divisions, was also a commemoration of the car.

February 1982, the five-door wagon, "Surf" series was added. Carina since launch, the first of five door wagon. 1C-1800cc OHC diesel engines were added.

May 1982, 1500SE.

June 1982, mainly women, for 1500 Add-joon.

October 1982, Japan's Turbo DOHC engine (3T-GTEU-1800cc 160ps TOURINGSUPERCOUPE expression) with the "GT-TR" added (Celica, Corona and simultaneous release). 18R-GEU engine type was abolished 2000GT.

In May 1983, minor changes (except vans). Set mirror [2], the front grille, and redesigned the taillights. 1600GT sports model, it replaces the 2T-GEU engine is equipped with a 4A-GEU engine (1600cc DOHC16 valve). 3T-EU engine was discontinued.

August 1983, a series of minor van. 12T-J-5K-J-type engine has been modified to 1500ccOHV.

May 1984, four-door sedan Carina FF (T150 system) - Added a new, organized on the model. Coupe, surf, vans were sold continuously. Minor changes were also set colored bumper cars, senior grade.

August 1985, the organization model. Sports (1600GT, 1600GT-R, 1800GT-T, 1800GT-TR) will move to FF sedan and coupe sales were terminated. Sedan is 1500STD, DX, SG, 1800SG be only. Surf, van sales were continuing.

FR sedan in May 1988, Surf, end the sale of the van.

[Start 'Japanese' text on Fifth generation (1988-1992) ]

{{rough translation}}

1988 release. Form to get the slightly rounded corners, is in line with the fashionable design of the car at the time. Surf (wagon), front-wheel drive and is also FULLMODELCHANGE van. 4S-Fi is a 1800cc engine type, 1600cc of the FF-4A-GE and the specification for high-power high-cam-4A-FHE car, 1500cc of the 5A-F type, 2000cc diesel-2C. The 3E-1500cc Van, 2000cc diesel-2C.

December 1988, full-time 4WD system CENTERDIFFERENTIAL has been added to the sedan car (AT175-type). The engine is 1600cc, 4A-FE is the only type setting.

August, 1989, "G Limited" 4A-GE engine is a premium design and high-compression, 140ps demonstrate that led to [3].

5 minor change in 1990. The T-Grill is a bright tail lamp lenses bulging from three division was changed to split (the front of the van is no change).PREVIOUSGENERATION a gasoline car engine is EFI化SA riding, 1800cc the 4S-FE-, 1500cc with a 5A-FE-type. For the FF-type vehicle 1600cc4A-FHE is increased to 105ps → 110ps. 4WD vehicles are still equipped with the 4A-FE type. Surf 2000cc2C has been added to the diesel-type (CT170G type). Can be fitted as an option in the driver-side airbag.

Wagon vans sold in 1992 to 10 March, the car's successor and the Caldina Van Corona integration.

Yes, we can all of us work out to a level of about 80% confidence what most of it means, but finding the rarer combination of (1) available time and (2) adequate interest in Toyota Carinas and (3) sufficient fluency in Japanese and English ... that's a bigger 'Ask'. Meantime, the Dutch entry, tho brief, makes sense and for Generation A60, I've put a bit of that into more or less readable more or less English which makes a start on filling the gaps. But we need more and better information generation by generation either from Japanese wiki translated by someone with reasonable English (and Japanese...) and / or from other good sources. Hmmmm Charles01 (talk) 05:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Carina ED

The Carina contined as a sedan and the Carina ED hardtop.

[End 'Japanese' to be anglicised]

Ta63 or Aa63?

Does anyone know what these designations mean? --THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^PRAISE 18:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

TA63 - T means T engine family (eg 2T, 3T), A means RWD Celica, Carina or Celica Camry, 6 means third generation (1/2, 3/4, 5/6), 3 means a particular model within that generation (in this case to differentiation the 2T and 3T engines and has IRS). AA63 is the same but with the A engine family. More details at Toyota model codes or my Carina 63 web page.  Stepho  (talk) 22:48, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^PRAISE 13:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

TA41-A, TA41-B, TA41-C

The Carina, Celica and Celica Camry shared a common floorpan and mechanicals. They even shared the same model codes. To differentiate them, Toyota put a unique code after the dash and used this in their parts catalogues and owner's manuals. So, the Carina is officially known as the TA41-A, the Celica is officially known TA41-B and the Celica Camry is officially known as the TA41-C (all 3 assuming the '77-'81 model with the 2T engine and solid rear axle). The same unique letter is used in the full build code (eg E-TA41-ADKRS for Carina). I have various pictures of owner's manuals showing this at home but it will take some time to dig them out and put them where they can be seen.  Stepho  talk  09:30, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm assuming this is in response to my edit here. If so, I am mistaken and this should probably be explained in the Celica and Carina articles. Also, does the apply to other models—i.e. the Toyota Camry (XV20) and Lexus ES (XV20)? OSX (talk • contributions) 11:32, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Yep, in response to your changes. Toyota used this in the 1970s-1990's for variations on the same platform. The RWD Celica, Celica Camry and Carina were all on the A platform. A similar code was used for the FWD Corona, Celica, Carina on the T platform, the Corolla and Sprinter on the E platform and the Cressida, Mark II, Cresta and Chaser on the X platform. For the XV platform we have Camry (KD-CV43-AEPDX), Vista (KD-CV43-BEPMX) and Scepter (E-VCV15-CCPGK). I'd have to check further for the Lexus. But these were usually hidden inside the build code and only the Celica and Carina raised them to prominence on the parts catalogue cover.  Stepho  talk  13:11, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Toyota Carina

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Toyota Carina's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Oldies":

• From Toyota Carina II: Hajek, Alexander. "Toyota Carina II T15". Toyota Oldies. {{cite web}}: External link in |work= (help)
• From Toyota Corona: Hajek, Alexander. "Toyota Corona T8/T9". Toyota Oldies. {{cite web}}: External link in |work= (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 16:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Toyota Carina II/Corona/Carina

Regushee has now several times reverted edits regarding the European market Carina II. Here is a small photo gallery which provides a visual identifier for the cars:

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  Japanese market Corona
• 
  European market "Carina II"

The Corona/Carina II share a six-light bodywork, while the Japanese market Carina has only two side-windows (three pillars rather than four) and completely separate bodywork. The Carina name was used in Europe because "Corona" was seen as being tied to a larger car and was generally less popular. Also, the Carina II went on sale in Europe in early 1984 (it appears in Automobil Revue 1984, grouped together with the Corona FF, printed on 1 March 1984) whereas the Carina T15 was only presented in May of 1984. In World Cars 1985, page 51, Jack Yamaguchi states "...and in Europe, the fwd Corona's called Carina. And the fwd Carina is a re-clothed fwd Corona." If this isn't enough then I will be happy to provide scans.  Mr.choppers | ✎  21:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Merge Toyota T190 to Carina

It has been proposed to merge Toyota Corona T190 into Toyota Carina.  Stepho  talk  02:27, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Support. Not much useful content on that page, either.  Mr.choppers | ✎  04:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Support. This one has been lingering around too long now. OSX (talk • contributions) 00:32, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

RINBAN engine

Anybody know what a "RINBAN" engine is in the T210 section?  Stepho  talk  00:40, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

mid-size

@Alex Neman:, I'm finding it hard to understand the the compact/mid-size difference. The T170/180 was 4,380 mm long and the T190/200 was 4,450 mm long. I can accept that the 70 mm difference was enough to push it to the larger class. The infoboxes give no variation in length within each generation, which is why I find it confusing that you say the Japanese market Carina and European market Carina E had different lengths. Can you shed some light on this? Thanks.  Stepho  talk  02:10, 28 January 2017 (UTC)