Talk:Touch the Sky (Kanye West song)

Orphaned references in Touch the Sky

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Touch the Sky's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "billboard":

• From Graduation (album): Geoff Mayfield (September 18, 2007). Kanye Crushes 50 Cent in Huge Album Sales Week. Billboard. Accessed September 19, 2007.
• From Pro Nails: "Hot Single Sales May 31 2008". Billboard.com. 2008-05-22. Retrieved 2008-05-28.
• From Through the Wire: Artist Chart History. Billboard. Accessed August 3, 2007.

Reference named "acharts":

• From Lupe Fiasco's Food & Liquor: Lupe Fiasco - Food & Liquor - Music Charts αCharts. September 27, 2008.
• From Talk About Our Love: "Brandy and Kanye West - Talk About Our Love". A-Charts. Retrieved 2008-04-26. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)
• From Kanye West discography: World Chart Positions. aCharts.us. Accessed December 24, 2007.
• From Through the Wire: Kanye West - Through the Wire - Music Charts. aCharts.us. Accessed August 3, 2007.
• From Stronger (Kanye West song): "Kanye West - Stronger worldwide chart positions and trajectories". aCharts.us. Retrieved October 20, 2007.
• From Good Life (Kanye West song): "T-Pain and Kanye West - Good Life worldwide chart positions and trajectories". aCharts.us. Retrieved October 24 2007.
• From Heard 'Em Say: "Kanye West Dt. Adam Levine - Heard 'Em Say global chart positions and trajectories". aCharts.us.
• From Lupe Fiasco's The Cool: "Lupe Fiasco - Lupe Fiasco's The Cool - Music Charts". αCharts. Retrieved 2008-11-26.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 02:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Touch the Sky (Kanye West song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 14:17, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Infobox

• The first release date is January 1, 2006 and not the one in here.
• Recorded 2005 → not mentioned on the body of the article with a source
• Add Universal to the labels

 Done

Lead

• by the labels (which labels?) → by the aforementioned labels
• Universal Music
• Evel Kanyevel → wikilink the first and unwikilink the second mention
• Evel Knievel sued West → Knievel sued West
• The visual received generally positive reviews from critics. → The visual received multiple nominations at award shows.
• ten of charts → ten of the charts
• Gold; Platinum → gold; platinum
• and United States respectively. → and United States, respectively.
• in 2011 and 2015 respectively → same as the previous

 Done but not for 2nd as that is West's nickname for his video and I removed wikilink on second mention of Knievel. Didn't do 3rd as Even Knievel is only mentioned twice and it's not his real name

Background and development

• After the first mention of Lupe Fiasco → Fiasco
• Reference 8 at the end of the paragraph.

 Done but not for 1st as it is only a few mentions and that's not his real name

Composition and recording

• This needs paragraphs it is a mess.
• Musically and lyrically need to seperated by a paragraph and the last two sentences add them to the musically part as it is production.
• Add people from the personnel section, mixing, enginners and others.

 Done

Release and reception

• "Touch the Sky" was released on August 30, 2005, as the third track on West's second studio album Late Registration.[16] → remove it, I want the single release not the album/track release
• The song was later sent to mainstream radio stations in the United States by the labels on February 2 as the album's fourth single → The song was later sent to mainstream radio stations in the United States on February 2, 2006, by the labels (which labels?) as the album's fourth single.
• Below you will see what to do with all those sources on the release history section.
• Universal → Universal Music
• There weren't any mixed reviews? 1

"echoes the less ambivalent joy" is a vague mention and it actually isn't mixed/negative. Staying as universal acclaim

It would always stay as universal, one source doesn't make it mixed or almost universal. I guess you have a point there, address the rest. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:58, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

 Done but not for the 1st as it is giving info on the initial release of the track, not overdoing album release information.

I don't see how that is relevant for the single article? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:18, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

It is about Touch the Sky (Kanye West song), so info on the release of the song on the album is definitely relevant if a single release wasn't initial.

Accolades

• Kanye at his humblest: Detailing his struggles and failures before exploding into that glorious chorus, outsourcing the beat to fellow Roc-A-Fella house producer Just Blaze because nobody could've flipped that Curtis Mayfield sample harder. → "Kanye at his humblest: Detailing his struggles and failures before exploding into that glorious chorus, outsourcing the beat from producer Just Blaze because nobody could've flipped that Curtis Mayfield sample harder."

 Done

Background and synopsis

• Fine

Lawsuit

• Specifically, Evel Knievel's lawsuit → Knievel's lawsuit
• Refrence 44 is cited four times → ed of the paragraph since all the senteces are taken from there.

 Done

Reception

• The music video for "Touch the Sky" was generally well received by critics. → remove this sentence, one review is not critics. There aren't three/four there is only one review we can't draw such conclusion.
• "West reacted negatively to the video not receiving any nominations at the 2006 MTV Video Music Awards, saying during an interview in August of that year with The Associated Press that: "It didn't get any nominations, but it's one of the most memorable videos of the year for me." → "West reacted negatively to the video not receiving any nominations at the 2006 MTV Video Music Awards, saying during an interview, "It didn't get any nominations, but it's one of the most memorable videos of the year for me."
• "In response to it ultimately not winning the award, West stated during a tirade that he should have won because the visual "cost a million dollars, Pamela Anderson was in it. I was jumping across canyons." → After not wining the latter award, West thought he should have won as the video "cost a million dollars, Pamela Anderson was in it. I was jumping across canyons."
• " He also claimed that: "If I don't win, the awards show loses credibility" → remove it

Are you sure the above statement needed to be removed? It gives relevant info on West's thoughts on winning

I'm 100% sure its just his opinion regarding his videos, mainly saying that awards are no good if he doesn't win. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:30, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

 Done

North America

• Following on from its release as a single → After its single release
• The song experienced a similar jump the next week, rising 18 places to number 52. The song then entered the top 50 → After two weeks the song then entered the top 50
• It peaked at number 41 on the US Billboard Pop 100 → Replaced it with Mainstream Top 40 chart
• for sales of 500,000 units in the United States → remove it, streaming was already in place by this time.
• Gold → gold
• Though West's previous Late Registration singles "Gold Digger", "Diamonds from Sierra Leone" and "Heard 'Em Say" attained top 20 positions in Canada, the song failed to mirror the success of them, as it never entered the Canadian Hot 100. → If I take this premise then you will never finish the article remembering countries and charts it never entered, remove it, we don't cite places it didn't entered, it is not some sort of record.
• Add info regarding Use Hot Rap Songs chart since it entered the top 10.

 Done

Europe and Oceania

• "The song performed best in the United Kingdom...It remained on the chart for a total of 15 weeks" → The song peaked at number six on the UK Singles Chart, giving West his fifth top ten single in the country, spending 15 weeks on the chart.
• Gold → gold
• "number 7 → number seven"
• "The song was also a top 20 hit in Finland" → The Finland chart has twenty spots on the chart. → The sigle peaked at number 15 on the Finish Singles Chart.
• "Touch the Sky" experienced a lesser degree of commercial success in Russia, reaching number 62 on the Tophit chart. The song performed worst on the German Singles Chart, peaking at number 97 on it. → "Touch the Sky" experienced less commercial success in the Russia and Germany charts, peaking at number 62 and 97, respectively.
• "and spending a total of two weeks on the chart" → remove it
• the ARIA Singles Chart → the ARIA Singles Chart, it stood as West's...
• This made it one of West's three singles to achieve the certification that year in Australia, with the other two being "Heartless" and "Runaway" → remove it, unecessary infomartion I want to focus on "Touch the Sky" certifications, not on the others.

 Done but not for the 1st as it is notable where the song performed best

Live performances

• "west's first televised live performance of "Touch the Sky" occurred at...

What do you mean?

• My mama would be so proud to see her baby boy performing the #1 song in the country for our new African-American president → perhaps the mention of the number one song, otherwise it looks like "Touch The Sky".

Don't know which song was #1 as the source doesn't mention so removed that quote.

Well done. I adress the former see if you are ok with it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:04, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

• schoolchildren → school children
• Add year of release of all the songs but "Touch the Sky"

 Done for others

Other versions

• the Soul Rebels → cappital letter in "the"
• Not sure about hypebeast being a reliable souce.
• Christopher Pierznik → it is a personnal blog, but the author has many books and articles published, so I guess it is fine.

 Done and Hypebeast article was deleted but the site was never contested as unreliable. Interesting catch though

It looks fishy to me, can't you find an alternative to it? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:54, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Don't see what's fishy about it, but this is an alternative though Hypebeast is considered a reliable source. Shows that it's not fishy since there's more than one source in existence about the remix.

The remix isn't, the source might be. Hypebeast is a better source, than the latter. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:01, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Track listings

• Don't use all music for other stuff than reviews and album tracklist. Anyone can add it, as long as an user.

 Done

Personnel

• Please see [1] and re-write everything accordingly.

 Done

Weekly charts

• Pop and Mainstream Top 40 are the same. "The Mainstream Top 40 (also called Pop Songs on Billboard.com and sometimes referred to as Top 40/CHR)" and "It ranked songs based on airplay on Mainstream Top 40 radio stations, singles sales and digital downloads." But since it overlaped years of the chart being active I would let it stay, but on top of that AllMusic is not a reliable source for info regarding charts, already explained the reason above.

 Done

Year-end charts

• Fine

 Done

Certifications

• Need to add certyear to the collumn and change parameters including streaming due to the UK and US certifications, since BPI added streaming when the single was re-certified. The same aplies to the US, but it was introduced in 2013 and the single re-certified in 2014.

 Done

Release history

• March 7, 2006 → Change it to various, with three/four sources using [2]

 Done but to seven sources, since we discussed this on Talk:All Day (Kanye West song)/GA1

Fine by me, you can use the seven sources that way. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:00, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

See also

• Uncessery, but fine I guess.

References

• fmqb.com. → FMQB + wikilink
• Multiple wikilinkds on HipHopDX, Apple, Itunes Store, NME, Pitchfork...(only wikilink once)
• Be consistent sometimes you use work and other work and publisher. To be easier only use work, unless there is only publisher available.

 Done

External links

• Why two sources for the lyrics? Remove one.

 Done

Overall

• Is there any mention of the studio where the song was mastered on the liner notes? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:57, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

  @MarioSoulTruthFan: Thanks for your help, explained why I didn't remove the album release info. Ready to pass? --Kyle Peake (talk) 21:07, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: I want to read the article again before I pass it, and I will do so tomorrow if you don't mind. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: Yeah that's fine, it's best to do a run through before the final verdict. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:47, 24 December 2019 (UTC)