Talk:Tinder (app)

Editors, your attention to this page, please.

It seems the page was written by Tinder's PR department. A heavy edit is required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.55.120.214 (talk) 14:52, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

• I did so, though the page is still in pretty sorry shape due to the lack of available user statistics or really references of any kind. I think we should probably review this for notability. Manic Oppressive (talk) 07:15, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

• A group of us have attempted to fix many of the issues with the page. We have added a criticisms section in order for it to remain objective. We have also expanded on the history, devices, and users section. User:SamanthaGWS 4:08, 20 November 2013

• Just removed an external link to "apptinder", as it was a blog with bad spelling that directed users to "download the app" with a button pointing to "loginme.org/app-tinder/". Was added by an anonymous ip user two revisions ago. The external links section also has 3 links to articles on a topmobiletrends site, which seems to be a bit of linkspam. I doubt all 3 links are needed, but don't feel like checking them out, nor do I remember the tag to add to notify more expert editors. Hope I at least helped a bit. 85.138.73.48 (talk) 18:11, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

• The link to Top Mobile Trends went to an article that was based on a third party survey that goes into how common are actual meet ups from Tinder. As the person who originally added the link to the article I don't think I should add it again. However if someone else thinks it is a relevant article please include it! http://topmobiletrends.com/tinder-dates-just-common/ Morganglick (talk) 14:54, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

• Other suggestions: (These suggestions are part of an undergraduate assignment for sociology) The first suggestion is to clean up the writing so that it has more contextual clarity. Perhaps the use of transition sentences between sections would help. The second suggestion is to continue to add coverage of the app. For instance, news articles that have featured the app could be included or even success stories from individuals that have used the app. Furthermore, more data needs to be added, such as statistics on individual user's average sex, age, and distance as well as preferences. Lastly, additional information on Tinder and how it competes with other dating apps as well as what makes it unique would be useful information. MediatedLifeAM (talk) 23:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC)MediatedLifeAM

A problem

... with articles like this is that their origin is solely in the PR / advertising / marketing department of the software producer. It then takes a number of iterations to clean up the article enough that it can start to be given serious consideration as an encyclopaedia article (if, indeed, it ever deserves such status, which many such articles never do).

The people who have worked on this article so far seem to have done a reasonably good job of sanitising the original content. However, more work is needed to provide a context for the article, which needs to include negative and neutral aspects, not just the positive fragments left over from the original "free advertising" authors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.102.69 (talk) 00:44, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

This article reads like an ad. Trotterly (talk) 00:45, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Obviously not a neutral formulation: [..] to expand their network globally, which is great for those looking to find [..]

I think the page is looking neutral now. I'd suggest removing the flag. Totorotroll (talk) 20:58, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Allegations of sexual harassment

Should this be included in the article?

Yesterday, the app gained a different sort of attention after former Tinder executive Whitney Wolfe filed a wide-ranging sexual harassment claim against the company. The complaint, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, included copies of enough scathing text exchanges sent to Wolfe by co-founder/CMO Justin Mateen to prompt the company to announce Mateen's temporary suspension "pending an ongoing internal investigation."[1]141.77.225.60 (talk) 09:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I checked Wikipedia because I wanted to know what the heck Tinder is. It is a thing that "facilitate[s] telecommunication between mutually interested users." Whatever that actually means in practical terms. But before it actually explains the thing there is a paragraph on lawsuits. Why? Please describe the thing, explain its relevance, and tell me what it is. Then discuss the lawsuits. I am just a dude with no connection to anyone or anything but it is strange to me that you would devote more energy in the first few paragraphs to controversies rather than to what it is. Have you ever looked at an actual encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.46.38 (talk) 09:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

It's pretty weird that this article doesn't mention the sexual harassment case against Mateen at all, despite this being a significant event in the history of the company and being covered extensively in the media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.153.227 (talk) 21:38, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

copy editing flag

does the copy editing flag still belong on this page? the article did not seem like it needed much revision from a copy editing aspect. if no one has any obligations, im going to remove that flag. GoGatorMeds (talk) 18:59, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Revenue?

Can anyone clarify how this application makes money? It must cost a lot to run in data center costs etc and there are no adverts on it, so how does it make money and receive awards for best start up and so on?188.220.31.184 (talk) 00:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Especially since almost no one really uses it. Think Ashley Madison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.36.196.216 (talk) 01:37, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Connection between Tinder and IAC

The infobox on this page says that Tinder's "Developer" is IAC/InterActiveCorp.

The "History" section says that Tinder was created by Rad, Mateen, Wolfe, and a few other folks.

Therefore, it seems logical to conclude that "IAC" is another name for Rad, Manteen, Wolfe. On the other hand, that theory is not supported by the IAC/InterActiveCorp article.

Can someone clarify this? Were Rad, Mateen, and Wolfe employees of IAC when they developed Tinder? Or did IAC purchase Tinder from someone (and if so, from whom)? Or did IAC create Tinder, and later Rad/Manteen/Wolfe took it over from IAC? Nothing in this article or the IAC/InterActiveCorp article gives answers to these questions. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 02:32, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Premium Users

No information, can one buy any special features, in Android or iOS version of Tinder?

Or are they still only offering the free version?

ee1518 (talk) 10:42, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

What are the available in-app purchases? In the app's recensions I read about like-limits for free users. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.147.168.140 (talk) 12:04, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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Logo

The "i" in the logo has been stolen from Zippo, obviously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4904:DF59:C463:94AD:FE07:A8EC (talk) 23:07, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Bulky writing

"Tinder became the first new online dating service to become one of the top five utilized services on the web in about ten years" That sentence... Paradox (talk) 07:05, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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A related article's name change proposal

It has been requested that the article Tinder be moved to Tinder (material), and that the namespace "Tinder" will then redirect to Tinder (disambiguation). Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tinder#Requested_move_1_January_2018 is

Your views are welcome. Regards, Shalom11111 (talk) 22:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Algorithm

There wasn't much information officially revealed about the algorithm used by tinder to rate the users, yet a lot has been learned experimentaly by the community. Could we then create a section about the algorithm gathering all the pieces of information we have about it ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LucienGROUES TPT (talk • contribs) 10:37, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

"Clarification Needed" in sections "Users" and "The Tinder effect"

I have added a "clarification needed" tag to two sentences in the article.

The first is in the section "Users": "The minimum age to sign up and use Tinder was 18. As of June 2016, if a user who is below the age of 18 attempted to use the app, they were met with cards on their deck[clarification needed] stating that Tinder is no longer usable by anyone under 18, and that the Tinder team was developing a new app especially for their age group."

What does "met with cards on their deck" mean? I am assuming this is either a reference to some sort of in-app lingo, or it is some sort of obscure figure of speech. If the former, then clarification is needed to explain the meaning of this, since it could only possibly be understood by a user of the app. If it is the latter, then that is obviously not the sort of language that belongs in an encyclopedia, and it needs to be reworded so it actually... uh... makes sense.

The second is in the section "The Tinder effect": "Tinder adapts to the lack of time of its users and their realism about soulmates[clarification needed] by matching them efficiently and rationally, ensuring them a new relationship quickly but with no guarantee that it will be a long-term success."

What is meant by "realism about soulmates"? I could see this being interpreted in many different ways. It also sounds like opinion rather than fact. What does it mean to be "realistic" about "soulmates"? This really needs to be reworded and clarified.

Are there any Wikipedia editors out there who are more familiar with Tinder who would be able to clarify these two sentences? Thanks. Vontheri (talk) 06:23, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

"Natasha Aponte incident" section too long

It should be shortened a significant amount in my view, per WP:NOTNEWS. - Sdkb (talk) 17:14, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Reliable sources

@Inquiry271: You really should look at the entry for the New York Post at WP:RSP before calling me this and that. Besides, posting an external link in the main text body is not recommended. Moreover, Wikipedia is not news. Nerd271 (talk) 03:37, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

User mating behavior vs. concerns

@CommonKnowledgeCreator: Let me explain further. One section is descriptive/positive while the other is normative/judgmental. One describes Tinder as a platform of human mating behavior, as studied by some social scientists; the other is about concerns people raised. They should be separate. Nerd271 (talk) 05:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Nerd271: I don't think so. I read the reference the section summarizes. Its conclusion is that it is unclear whether an evolutionarily stable strategy has emerged among its users or if one will, which, given the app's widespread use, will be of enormous demographic consequence to society if users continue to use the app instead of alternative means of finding mates. It is the same type of behavioral research summarized in the Concerns subsection that has attempted to quantify match ratios and describe the social psychological effects of the app. CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 05:41, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@CommonKnowledgeCreator: Yes, I am aware. I wrote it (and copied it over here from the page 'online dating services'). But surely you must realize it is but an app. It is not the be all end all of human mating. These organisms have been around long before the advent of the Internet let alone Tinder. That sounds to me more like an academic question and a question for the app developers (assuming they have not found an answer to it yet). If you want to include information about people's concerns over this app, and there has been plenty of information in that regard here already, you can keep expanding the 'Concerns' section. Again, that section is purely descriptive, nor normative. It is about human-human interactions, not what some people other than researchers think about it. Nerd271 (talk) 05:48, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Nerd271: Given that the app is known to be addictive and how in-person forms of interaction and flirtation with strangers are becoming more socially stigmatized as an unintended side effect of the app (as the December 2018 Atlantic article documents as well as polling by The Economist and YouGov from November 2017), I don't think so. It also seems to me that the article is in fact descriptive of concerns about the app given the framing of the article's title (i.e. usage of the word "extreme"). I think your issue is with the usage of the word "Concerns" (which I don't care if you wish to change), but I don't agree that anything in the section is normative. It is descriptive, and that's why the sections should remain merged. CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 06:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@CommonKnowledgeCreator: I do not deny there are problems associated with (heavy) usage of this app. But your suggestion that we change the name of the section is an interesting one. I never thought about it that way. I'll try to come up with a name later. Thanks! Nerd271 (talk) 15:48, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@CommonKnowledgeCreator: I moved things around and merge the two sections and create a new one for safety issues. I think the content in question is presented in a more coherent fashion now. What do you think? Nerd271 (talk) 02:32, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

@Nerd271: I completely agree. Bravo! CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 04:53, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

The tinder screenshot is oppresive

The tinder screenshot used for this article is oppressive. Why is there a stereotypical white, Caucasian female shown? Why not someone of a more ethnic variety?

The current tinder app store screenshots don't even highlight white women. Instead there's an lady with a much darker skin stone. Flighter21 (talk) 15:51, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

I'd argue that the current photo is actually perfect for this article given what is now known about the racial biases of matching algorithms, dating apps inefficiency in actually matching their users, and the societal declines in intimate relationships they potentially have contributed to. The current photo epitomizes the same dumb art school bimbo who wears designer labels, is going to school or is on vacation in Europe, and is trying to get an older married man in a professional occupation or has assets and property to leave his third wife for her. It fits every possible stereotype of who believes in and actually benefits from these apps. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 16:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

The current pic is and works as an advertising picture.

Is this wikipedias main task?

I have have seen realistic pics of tinder .... LLLLOOLLLL ...

-06:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC) 2001:9E8:8A45:6500:7B25:BD16:ACCA:8BA2 (talk) 06:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey 173.185.144.156 (talk) 07:24, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Allegations of fostering a predator's playground

In a joint Four Corners and Hack investigation, Tinder has been accused of creating a predator's playground, amongst other things. This should almost certainly receive a mention in the article, and I would do it myself, but I probably wouldn't be able to make it as readable as other users could.

Relevant links can be found below:

• Dias, Avani; McCormack, Ange; Russell, Ali (October 12, 2020). "Unmatched: How Tinder fails to act on sexual assault complaints and lets rapists hide". ABC News. Retrieved October 13, 2020.
• Dias, Avani; McCormack, Ange; Russell, Ali (October 13, 2020). "Parents of woman sexually assaulted by Tinder rapist Glenn Hartland say app should stop serial offenders". ABC News. Retrieved October 13, 2020.
• "How Tinder is helping sexual predators hide their crimes". Hack on Triple J. October 12, 2020. Retrieved October 13, 2020.
• "Four Corners investigates Tinder and how digital dating became a predators' playground". TV Blackbox. October 8, 2020. Retrieved October 13, 2020.

– Sean Stephens (talk) 04:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Note: Please ping me when you reply. Sean Stephens (talk) 04:39, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Biased References

The sections describing Whitney Wolfe Herd's involvement in establishing Tinder seem very one-sided (pro tinder, anti-Whitney.) The sources referenced in this section, particularly the TechCrunch 'burned' article read very biased and include hearsay. I'll try to revisit to update soon, but anyone working on these sections, please look for more neutral sources. 2601:602:8580:17D0:1D07:F379:9807:9FEA (talk) 04:39, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2021

84.154.96.39 (talk) 12:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TungstenTime (talk) 13:55, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Coatracking

This mention of Vena..

In September 2016, Tinder invested in Vina, a social network for women to meet and nurture new friendships.

...Seems a bit WP:COATRACK to me. The app doesn't appear notable in my opinion and mentioning it here just obscures the article even more. If no one objects, I'm going to remove it.Ferkingstad (talk) 09:46, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Page Organization

This page is really messy. I spent most of today working to clean it up. I added key missing details. Streamlined and removed extraneous information. Rearranged the page. It still needs a ton of work. The references are scattered and need to be double checked. I am going to keep working on this one. If you see something wrong or any grammar errors please help! I think it's good enough to remove the advert tag on the page. I'm going to remove it but please LMK if I missed something.

Also, I'm curious if anyone supports the leadership chart on the page? Seems like overkill to me. Does anyone object to its removal? Drsammyjohnson (talk) 01:45, 2 November 2021 (UTC)DrSammyJohnson

COI + ADV Tags

Tangledupinbleu chs I removed the advert tag (see above). I spent tons of time on the page and thought it looked MUCH better. Is the user behavior section the issue? Seems like a lot of people are interested in editing that section. It seems much too long to me but I didn't get there.

Drsammyjohnson (talk) 23:28, 3 November 2021 (UTC)DrSammyJohnson

@Drsammyjohnson: The content has improved since March and understand the time put in fix some of the issues. What I find it odd that there's even a reason to question why it was re-tagged for advertising when there are clear WP:SPAs adding large counts of promotional spin, removing unflattering info and otherwise trying to influence the Tinder WP for the last ~2 months. Thus a COI as well. Tangledupinbleu chs (talk) 18:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Overcharging members of the LGBTQ+ community and older people

The furor seems to be based on a report by Which? magazine which seems to have grown legs. Would it be too chronocentric to include this under controversies?

Ch1p the chop (talk) 14:55, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Mention of random banning without explanation/review due process?

Should there be an inclusion of reference about the growing trend of draconian random bans that are not explained/investigated nor given the opportunity to overturn or review? 203.46.132.214 (talk) 04:38, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Unexplained bans are covered for transgender people in the "Transphobia" section. However, if you have significant reliable sources for other random bans (i.e. that also affect cisgender people), then it may be appropriate to add those. Hist9600 (talk) 01:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Unfair cancellation

I have tried to take two new photos on my phone to identify myself and couldn't understand why it go black.

only after I have submitted the photos I realised that I have covered the camera because I have experienced a problem on my phone. Think someone hacked my phone. 102.141.150.195 (talk) 13:39, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome to check the facts my contact number is 082 994 102.141.150.195 (talk) 13:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

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