Talk:Tigalari script

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Handwritten Tulu script images need to be replaced immediately.

Hi. I can read and write the Tulu script. The images uploaded on this page are too amateur. I agree with Wangond that the images look like been written by a child. Request to immediately change the images with professional quality handwriting / typeset. --Amithchandhran (talk) 09:15, 22 December 2012 (IST)

• "...ruthless onslaught of English..." seems to be an extreamly biased opinion. Shmoo 19:22, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Dravidian civilizations

Wiki Raja 10:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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Tulu Script

Tulu language possessed its own script before Malayalam script existed.Malayalam script developed from Tulu script as the language predates Malayalam by more than a thousand years. The Tulu priests who went south carried mantras written in Tulu script to Kerala. It is clearly proved by scholars, who are well versed in Tulu and Malayalam language and literature, that it is the Tuluvas who contributed a script for Malayalam which has no script until the Tulu Brahmins’ arrival in Kerala. In fact, the present Malayalam script is nothing but the modified Tulu script.

Thunchaththu Ramanujan Ezhuthachan states created the Modern Malayalam Alphabet based on Grantha script with some dravidian aphabets native to Malayalam. Malayalam was written with Vatteluttu, Grantha before the modern Malaylam script evolved. for Malayalam which has no script until the Tulu Brahmins is completely wrong. Please add some strong to prove that Malayalam Script evolved from Tulu Script and re-insert the paragraph

Infact the beginning of the article says that it is safe to conclude that Tulu language evolved a script of and borrowed it from Malayalam language. Which results in self-contradiction.Vinodh.vinodh (talk) 13:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

You can compare the script of Tigalari with Malayalam script. It is almost same. You can find Tigalari script from 7th century when Malayalam script was not existed. 223.227.115.178 (talk) 13:30, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Alphabet table images

Links to hi. and kn.wikipedia:

• hi:चित्र:Tulu-Script.jpg
• kn:ಚಿತ್ರ:Tulu-Script.jpg

—Gyopi (talk) 19:16, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

The handwritten Tulu script images are aweful!

They look like being written by a 6 year old. Please replace them with professional images asap. I know how the script looks like! --Wangond (talk) 06:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Renaming the article to Tigalari- reasons

Tigalari alphabet is a southern Brahmic alphabet derived from Grantha. The Wikipedia says this script under the name Tulu script. As I’m a user of this script, the correct name of the script is Tigalari not Tulu. According to the scholar, manuscriptolist and Historian Dr. Keladi Gunda Jois the correct name of the script is Tigalari. The main language of the script is Sanskrit. More than 90% of works are in Sanskrit. Some Kannada works are also available .Out of thousands of Manuscripts, very few works are in Tulu language. A script need not have the same name of the language(s) used. All academic institutions like National Manuscript Mission , French institute of Pondicherry , Oriental research Institute, Mysore etc refer the script as Tigalari .Even Tulu academy, official organization for promoting Tulu language gives clarification saying- ತುಳುವಿಗೆ ‘ತಿಗಳಾರಿ’ ಲಿಪಿಯನ್ನು ಬಳಸಲಾಗುತ್ತಿತ್ತು. ಈ ಲಿಪಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಬರೆದ ಸಾವಿರಾರು ತಾಳೆಗರಿಯ ಗ್ರಂಥಗಳು ದೊರೆತಿವೆ ತುಳುನಾಡಿನ ಹಲವಾರು ವೈದಿಕ ಮನೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಈಗಲೂ ಪೂಜಿಸಲ್ಪಡುತ್ತಿವೆ( Tigalari script was used to write Tulu language.) Devarakonda Reddy in his article Development and origin of script says ಅನೇಕ ಹಸ್ತಪ್ರತಿಗಳು ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದ ಮಲೆನಾಡು ಪ್ರದೇಶದಲ್ಲಿ ದೊರೆತಿದ್ದು ಆ ಲಿಪಿಯನ್ನು ‘ತಿಗಳಾರಿ’ ಎಂದು ಕರೆಯುತ್ತಾರೆ. (Many manuscripts have been found in Malnad region of Karnataka where the script is called Tigalari. http://kanaja.in/archives/9027) Tulu is a recent name given by scholars based on the Region after few tulu manuscripts were discovered few decades ago, based upon the practice of linking writing systems to languages. According to the native users and scholars and manuscriptologists ,the name of script is Tigalari,not Tulu. Even I have contacted native users and Scholars personally and clarified on the nomenclature of the script. Details can be given ,if needed. See https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/samskrita/tigalari/samskrita/N7G-NNmPYoY/Aqa235wgacAJ.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ಶ್ರೀ (talk • contribs) 06:37, 17 June 2014‎ (UTC)

Weak Support: WP:COMMON NAME applies. And it would be the common name in English works, not in any other languages. Checking Google books and Google Scholar show more results for Tulu then Tigalari . (See http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Tigalari+script%22 http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Tulu+script%22 http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Tigalari+script%22 http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Tulu+script%22) Searches for "Tigalari" not "Tigalari script" produces more results, but still not more the "Tulu script". Also Tulu has been used in English since the 60s and I do not see any usage of Tigalari earlier then the 80s. However we do not always follow the rules here on Wikipedia. If others do not object, we can call it Tigalari. But, if consensus opposes you in this, it will be moved back. I actually like Tigalari better as it is clearly the name of the script and not some language. I weakly support Tigalari. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 19:59, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Oppose: As a native speaker of the language, I find the claim is baseless. According to the recent excavation of a stone inscription found in Kulashekara it is eveident that Tulu was predominantly popular in the region even before 1159 AD and unlike the recent claims done. It isn't right to judge both as same in these early stage there no evidences of "Tigalari" being used in Tulunad region. The word itself feels new and foreign. To back it up scripts like Kannada,Telugu and Goykanadi are look alike especially if you look into early records of them, but still these are separately encoded by Unicode. There is a palm leaf Ramayana, The title is clearly says "Tulu Baraha Tulu Bhase Ramayana" meaning even the script's name was Tulu. Deepak (talk) 17:30, 21 July 2020 (IST)

References

undivided

It is preserved in Museums and Traditional Maths of undivided Dakshina Kannada and Uttara Kannada Districts.

Does "undivided" here mean throughout those districts? Otherwise I can't make sense of the word. —Tamfang (talk) 09:45, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

On the image /File:Tulu_glyphs.jpg used in the Wikipedia

This file gives a combination of vowels in Tigalari script. It is to be noted that it made of insufficient research and many wrong glyphs and characters are adopted in chart. Vowel sign u and uu form contextual forms with some consonants.There are not represented in the chart. Anusvara is put right to the consonant ,not above. The glyphs of consontants kha,ga, nga, cha, ja, jha, nya, TTa, va,DDa, DDHA, bha, sa, LLA are wrong and not upto the Standard glyphs. The vowel sign Vocalic R should ligate with consonant .They are wrong.It should not be separated. There is no letter for LLLA or Zha in Tigalari. It shold be removed. Even vowels i, ii, uu, aa are not standard ones and they deviate from Correct forms. Visarga are made up of two rings not dots. Vowel sign aa is put right to the consonant not top and right. Vowels Vocalic RR, L and LL are not shown.

Wikipedia should not support wrong information for the users and they must be corrected or image should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ಶ್ರೀ (talk • contribs) 17:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, can you provide a better chart? —Tamfang (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Works in the script

The section "Works in the script" is now a rather random accretion: These things exist; however, these other things exist. Also, these things exist. If I had more knowledge, I'd reorganize it either by date or by language. —Tamfang (talk) 22:27, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 3 February 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 20:51, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

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Tigalari alphabet → Tigalari script – Tigalari, like othe Brahmi derived scripts is an abugida script, not an alphabet.
Anish Viswa 13:17, 3 February 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. — Zawl 08:58, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

support. Similar scripts use the word script. Artix Kreiger (talk) 23:24, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

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It is called as Tulu script not Tigalari.

Iam the user of this script it is called as tulu script not tigalari. It is used write tulu language but later usage of this script is decreased. But now again the revival of this script is done. And it is started to use again. In an manuscript it is clearly written as it tulu lipi(tulu script). The tigalari word is misprounced by some literature because most of works are in 'palm leaf(Talegari) leaves. But unfortunately some literature misprounced it has 'tigalari' -'talegari'. So it was originally known as "Tulu Script". So the misunformation is going on Wikipedia and article should renamed as "Tulu Script". Mr anonymousMr (talk) 07:43, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

The script user in the earlier rename discussion above argued for Tigalari over Tulu. I think your proposal to rename the article would be more persuasive if you cited specific, verifiable sources to back it up. I honestly don't care what the title of the article is so long as it is reached by consensus and is supported by cited sources. DRMcCreedy (talk) 18:15, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

In Unicode Document L2/22-034 by Dr. A.R. Jain of Karnataka Tulu Sahitya Academy, a proposal to encode the script in Unicode, pages 6 and 24–27 argue that the name of the script should be Tulu. Gus Polly (Talk | Contribs) 01:02, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2024

Current text states that the oldest known use of the Tigalari script is 1159 BCE, however the referenced source states 1159 AD. We should change the text from 1159 BCE to 1159 CE, as shown below.

Current version:

The oldest record of the usage of this script found in a stone inscription at the Sri Veeranarayana temple in Kulashekara here is in complete Tigalari/Tulu script and Tulu language and belongs to the 1159 BCE.[4]

Recommended update: The oldest record of the usage of this script found in a stone inscription at the Sri Veeranarayana temple in Kulashekara here is in complete Tigalari/Tulu script and Tulu language and belongs to the 1159 CE.[4] Tanzoniteblack (talk) 18:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done Looks like a user already took care of this with this edit. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 20:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)