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"Hun" and "Norn Irish"Edit

Hi mate. Thanks for adding 'Norn Irish' back in. All that remains is to ask what is needed for the term 'Hun' to be added. I'm going to add a thank you on the article talk page also. Cheers. -- (talk) 20:40, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand why you undid my addition of Monsieur MartonEdit

I don't understand why you undid my addition of Monsieur Marton to the list of drag performers. I included a reference whose footnote led to a translation of a newspaper ad regarding Monsieur Marton's performance. It was primary source documentation that this entertainer existed, and did this type of show in Egypt in 1933. The translated ad in my link included 3 paragraphs of narrative about Monsieur Marton, along with several photos of his act. Shiradotnet (talk) 06:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@Shiradotnet: Due to the size of the list, we only list people who have an article. I understand it is researched. You can try to create an article for this person, but I doubt it is notable enough to have an article. See Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Common selection criteria. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:46, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps also you could add to Drag queen#History of drag. Although you may need to find more material from WP:SECONDARY sources. We have a short article about Badia Masabni who open the club, perhaps you could add to that. Is it possible this drag artist is Ismail Yaseen? Richard-of-Earth (talk) 17:08, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@Richard-of-Earth:The drag artist I listed is not Ismail Yassin. When Ismail Yassin performed in drag, he used his own name. It's not appropriate to edit Badia Masabni's entry to add any drag performers to it, because drag artists were a very minor aspect of her overall contribution to Egyptian performing arts. I'm extremely frustrated, because I did not see anything in your original Wikipedia listing specifying the existence of an article as a criterion for including an artist. If I had seen that, I wouldn't have wasted my time trying to enhance the drag community's knowledge of its history. I'm very new to contributing stuff to Wikipedia, and I expected that your list page would have given me information about inclusion criteria. This has been an extremely frustrating experience for me, and quite honestly, it has killed my appetite to add anything further to Wikipedia, on any topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiradotnet (talkcontribs) 15:52, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
@Shiradotnet: I am sorry you are upset. I will see about getting this criteria mentioned on the talk page and perhaps a warning to appear when people edit the page. I think I will copy this conversation over to the talk page so others can give their thoughts. Perhaps we should add an exception to the criteria regarding historically significant instances for this list, but we would require a publish academic statement that it was significant or consensus from other Wikipedia editors that it should be on the list. It works against you that the citation you used links to a web site you have named your account after, It looks like you are trying to promote the site. If you are connected to creating the site, WP:OR could apply. I am not trying to judge this because I do not care about it. The citation is to the newspaper advertisement, not the website. Others are very paranoid about WP:COI accounts. To my mind the activity of location citations and summarizing them on Wikipedia is a degree of original research. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 17:27, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
@Richard-of-Earth: I am very confused. I attributed Al Ahram as the source of the information. Unfortunately, the Al Ahram archives which were used by Priscilla Adum for the translation back around 2009 or so are no longer online. Although it's true I linked to my site, it was only because the ad in question is reproduced there, so I was offering an option for people to view a copy of the primary source. It was either that or link to Priscilla's Facebook page where she originally posted her translation, which is the only other place that I know of where the ad can still be seen online. Are you saying I should have omitted the link to my web site and simply listed the Al Ahram information without any link? My logic was that people might want to view the ad for themselves. Or would it have been better to link to Priscilla's Facebook post as where the Al Ahram ad could be viewed? Really, all I was trying to do was make available information about a drag performer that crossed my path. As I said before, I'm very new to contributing stuff to Wikipedia, and I'm extremely confused by all this negativity.
See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. This negativity is the enforcement of this policy. Without some criteria to limit what goes on this list, every drag queen that exists and has existed will get added to the list and the list will be indiscriminate. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:06, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Copied to Talk:List of drag queens#I don't understand why you undid my addition of Monsieur Marton. Consider replying there. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 17:56, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

I see what you didEdit

I see what you did there. You’re the real MVP, Richard! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:1083:500:D423:8AB0:1C98:A56A (talk) 23:59, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Revert of talk page heading improvementEdit

Re this revert of my edit, I gather from your editsum that your sole rationale was that I shouldn't have changed a heading created by a different editor. Please see this at WP:TPO (emphasis mine):

Because threads are shared by multiple editors (regardless how many have posted so far), no one, including the original poster, "owns" a talk page discussion or its heading. It is generally acceptable to change headings when a better heading is appropriate, e.g., one more descriptive of the content of the discussion or the issue discussed, less one-sided, more appropriate for accessibility reasons, etc.

My heading is more appropriate because the thread turned out to merely educate the OP about process that everybody else understands (as far as we can tell), and is therefore of little importance to editors in general. To say it's "important", then, is misleading and likely to attract more attention (consume more editor time) than the thread merits. ―Mandruss  22:05, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Mandruss: interesting. I was not aware of that particular policy. I still think keeping the original title was important. Most editors are mature enough that they know the "important" part shows the OP's does in fact need educating and are not misled by it for a second. Also I noted after I made the revert that there was a link on Talk:2019 Dayton shooting#Important (procedural) question about this discussion and !vote to that conversation as the OP put it on both pages and your change broke that link. Of course if I had not reverted you and instead just fixed the bracket pairing, I could have just fixed that link. It was really just less buttons to push to revert it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:13, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

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