Talk:Theodore Tiron

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I have extensively revised this article, based on modern dictionaries of saints and especially on Christopher Walter's book (cited) on the Byzantine Warrior Saints. I have deleted the reference to Start Class in the hope that it may now be re-assessed. Waysider1925 (talk) 12:32, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

"Turkey"

The use of the place name Turkey is totally incorrect. Turkey was founded in 1922. The correct term for this geographic place is, A.S.i A. minor or Hellenic 'Mikra Asia'.

The name Turk is a Greek label given to the people that invaded Asia Minor, these people were most likely known previously as being related to the Uhgur people or other Mongol tribes.

The word Turk or 'Tur-tur' is actually related to the name Tartar which are both linguistic variations or translations for the Greek word for barbarian, Bar-bar-os. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.182.146.7 (talk) 13:22, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

The guy—if he ever existed—served in what is now Turkey, which has no etymological connection whatsoever to barbarism. Get over it.

That said, yeah, they should've clarified the position of Amasea within the provinces of the Roman Empire at the time of Diocletian and linked through. Fixed. — LlywelynII 17:04, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

# JAZZY SKYE 'bpnks' 2A00:23C6:88A3:9B01:D834:91FF:FE4A:5C28 (talk) 07:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

"Avkat"

should change avkhat in avkat? as is suggested by ----> http://www.princeton.edu/avkat/ ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.40.120.251 (talk) 04:08, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

What? — LlywelynII 17:12, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

WP:LEADSENTENCE

This guy is St Theodore. The only reason to park him at Theodore Tiron instead is because it's a WP:NATURALDAB and the person who selected this one was Greek and/or didn't know how to use Google Ngrams. Sadly, our misplacement seems to have started killing off the historically correct Latinate form (Theodore Tyro) in favor of a random use of modern Greek, but 'Theodore the Recruit' still remains more common than any of those. At some point, we should move the entire article to one of the better natural dabs: Theodore the Recruit, Theodore Tyro, or Theodore Teron.

In any case, the lead sentence should start with his actual most common English name (simply St Theodore) and then just prominently mention the form that we're using as his dab. — LlywelynII 17:12, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Sources for future article expansion

More on other topics in the sources provided as refs for the different names used for this guy.

Also, these

• The Book of Saints (a dictionary of servants of God canonised by the Catholic Church) compiled by the Benedictine monks of St Augustine's Abbey, Ramsgate (6th edition, revised & rest, 1989).
• Farmer, David Hugh: The Oxford Dictionary of Saints (4th edition, 1997).
• B. Fourlas, "Eine frühbyzantinische Silberschale mit der Darstellung des heiligen Theodor", Jahrbuch des Römisch-Germanischen Zentralmuseums Mainz 55, 2008 [2011], pp. 483–528 (on the iconography before iconoclasm).
• Grotowski, Piotr L.: Arms and armour of the warrior saints: tradition & innovation in Byzantine iconography (843-1261) (Leiden: Brill, 2010).

were listed as "sources" but completely unusued by the article. Kindly restore them once they're actually being used as references for some information in the article. — LlywelynII 01:01, 30 July 2023 (UTC)