Talk:The Yes Album/Archive 1

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Sorry in advance should this post be somewhat annoying for any of you and sorry for my english too!!! but the fact is, if I'm not wrong, that Würm should be also the name of the last glacial period; when listening to Starship Trooper, I always had in mind that thing; so the question is: are you sure that title is referring to the river? Ciao, --Atlantropa (talk) 09:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

The album was NOT "recorded at an old farmhouse in Devon, England, which was then home to Langley Studios."

It was in fact recorded at Advision Studios in London. I know because I was there during the recording of several tracks.

http://www.relayer35.com/Yescography/theyesal.htm

Produced by Yes and Eddie Offord at Advision Studios, London, autumn 1970; (2) recorded live at the Lyceum, London

80.33.18.37 (talk) 10:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

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democracy and socialism

"The "democratic" balance of the band"? Shouldn't it be called the socialist one if every member had his contribution? On the other hand - there's no difference between democracy and socialism... 85.89.184.212 (talk) 19:51, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Starship Trooper

This song doesn't have an article why exactly?

Write it (86.169.231.111 (talk) 21:22, 1 January 2013 (UTC))

It's not called "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" for nothing. Find significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources and put it together. For now, a redirect will suffice. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:59, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Yes Album/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 20:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Hi, I'll review this. FunkMonk (talk) 20:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Not a particularly big Yes fan myself, but this album is one of my favourite generally - when I first got hold of a CD copy (in the days where Bon Jovi and the Korg M1 were "in"), hearing the full roar of Tony Kaye's Hammond coming in 15 seconds into "Yours Is No Disgrace" made my (metaphorical) jaw drop. Anyway, I digress..... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:44, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm a "moderate" fan as well, but I do own all their albums up until the early 80s... FunkMonk (talk) 21:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• First off, can sources be found for the stuff under Reissues?

Oh yes, I meant to do this. Annoyingly, AllMusic (which is usually on the ball with all the various CD configurations) doesn't cover the original 1988 CD reissue, but I have it. It sounds really awful though, lots of background hiss, really nasty job, none of the original LP art. I think I've bought this album 4 times in different formats over the past few decades :-/ Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Being a short article, could the notes be merged into the text?

Hmm, they originally were in the text, but I felt they were a little distracting from the main prose. For instance, only a musician would understand anything about me saying "14/8 right channel, 7/4 left channel". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)}

Up to you, I think it's ok to challenge the reader a little, they're here to learn after all... FunkMonk (talk) 21:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I've put the description of what a "vachalia" is back into the body. If you do a Google search for that name, all you get is references to this album. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:22, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• "a "needle-drop" sample of the original vinyl release" What does this mean?

That's what the source says - "a 'needle drop' rip". I've wikilinked to Needle drop (audio) which should hopefully explain things. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Good enough. FunkMonk (talk) 21:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• More to come as I read along. FunkMonk (talk) 21:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
• "They had replaced founding member Banks with Howe" Full names, roles and links at first mention. Should also be done elsewhere in the article when new people are mentioned.

They've already been mentioned in the lead. Previously I have seen a name use in full for first mention in the lead and body, but I recently took You Never Give Me Your Money to GA, and that doesn't, and WP:LASTNAME in the MOS suggests that is correct. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:43, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm, I was always under the impression that the leas and the article are two separate texts, the former only a summary of the latter. Not a big deal anyway. FunkMonk (talk) 18:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it's something that's strongly enforced in any case, and it doesn't matter too much one way or the other, as long as all names are consistent within the article. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:05, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• "Atlantic Records by mid-1970, but neither had been commercially successful and their record label, Atlantic Records" Redundancy.

Oops. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:43, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• Could the external link (an interview) perhaps be sued as source for some additional info? FunkMonk (talk) 22:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Sued? Are you making a legal threat? ;-) The interview is a bit rambling and seems to talk about early Yes generally, rather than anything to do with this album, but there are a few interesting insights, so I've dropped a few cites in. It now means the article has at least one opinion from each band member, which I think is a plus. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:03, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Good! FunkMonk (talk) 18:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

"I can't believe Wikipedians can throw together a GA faster than I can play this solo! Well I never."

• The lead doesn't describe the actual music at all, is there a way this could be done? FunkMonk (talk) 18:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I've expanded this a bit. It struck me that if you know nothing about this album, you wouldn't know it has three part harmonies all the way through it, a stock-in-trade for Yes. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:05, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• The article seems quite a bit more comprehensive now. Nice evolution, I'll pass this. FunkMonk (talk) 19:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for a good review - considering new ideas and thoughts to help make it better. Incredible that it went from sub C class to GA in two days! Homage must go to Martinevans123 who noticed the album cover has Kaye's foot in plaster, not his entire leg. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I have to admit that, for many years (in my youth), I thought that the foot somehow belonged not to Kaye but to the mannequin. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit war

Could Mr Stephen (talk · contribs) explain what their interest is in minor trivial changes to ISBN formats, and why they feel the need to edit war over them? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:58, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm not in an edit war, it's just that this article got loaded twice and what happened is that I fixed it at the first reading, then you reverted, then it got fixed again at the second reading. The interest in ISBN formatting is getting it right; I could ask what your attraction is to getting it wrong? Regards, Mr Stephen (talk) 18:32, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

But what is "wrong" and what is "right"? To me, "wrong" is a false ISBN that does not correlate with any book sources. Anything else, provided you can look it up and check that the information is correct and located in the source, is merely a personal matter of opinion. As stated elsewhere, improve your edit summaries to avoid confusion. Now, arguing over dashes is silly, so unless anyone else wants to comment, we're done. Were Yes "wrong" to fire Tony Kaye or not? Who knows? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:32, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

I expect Tony knows. But I've always been a bit puzzled about the necessity and/or usefulnes of the dashes in ISBNs (in both the 10 and 13 digit versions). If they really are necessary, why don't we just have a handy template that always converts the raw numbers into the right format? It would make adding them much easier! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:15, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

I can just hear Jon Anderson singing "If the numbers changed to dashes, yours is no, yours is no disgrace". A template sounds like the best solution, then I can just add the raw ISBN and not have to worry about it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:21, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Haha. I think the suggestion deserves more than just a clap! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Credits

Convention across WP:ALBUMS is that credits are based on the original sleeve notes, and if necessary, reissues. Everyone has their favourite way of listing personnel, the difference between "bass" or "bass guitar" is not great, and original credits are the one thing that can be generally agreed to not be original research. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:19, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Tend to agree. Although sometimes particular models of instruments, like Hammond organ etc, are confirmed only later? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

To the typical reader, it might as well say "keyboards" and probably only doesn't because "keyboard player" was not common parlance in 1971. The prose does mention Kaye played a Hammond (as confirmed by book sources and the reissue sleeve notes) so it was worth mentioning there. There is no link to Rickenbacker anywhere in the article, though it would be obvious to fans that's the bass used on the album, sources don't bring it up as specifically important here. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:46, 2 February 2015 (UTC)