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I removed "The background is not desert, either: it includes a river with a boat" from the introduction. If this information goes anywhere, it should go in an as-yet-unwritten paragraph describing the painting. It could also go in the paragraph about the Schongauer print, but this would require some wordsmithing. In any case, the word "either" should probably be removed unless it helps in the new location. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:14, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


If the proposed attribution to Michelangelo is accepted, this would be the most expensive artwork by a child, wouldn't it? --Ghirla-трёп- 11:14, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps, perhaps not. We have to wait for a reliable source to say so, or else it is pure speculation, no matter how likely. Cheers, Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) (talk) 14:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Chirla did say "if." Also, it begs the definition of "child." I can't speak for Michelangelo's culture, but in some cultures adulthood starts at around the beginning of puberty or even a fixed age like 13. The United States has executed prisoners as young as 14 even into the 20th century, so obviously someone thought a 14 year old was old enough to be treated as an adult.
Does anyone know of any child-prodigy painters that are now considered among the great masters? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 17:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
There are plenty. Picasso, Leonardo, many others. Most of them, however, were apprenticed to masters in their youth, so the works are just attributed to the workshop of that master, as was this painting. (The Baptism of Christ (Verrocchio) is an example) Often the earliest works that are solely by the artist are simply lost. Was Leonardo making art before the age of 21, which is when his earliest known drawing dates to? Certainly, but none of them have surfaced. For what it's worth I agree with your argument per childhood, but none of this is to the point- we do not engage in supposition, period. Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) (talk) 01:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

In the words "it begs the definition," we have yet another misuse of "beg." See Wiki article Begging the question. (talk) 15:30, 7 January 2019 (UTC)Franklinstein

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The Torment of Saint Anthony is the earliest known painting by the Italian artist Michelangelo, painted in around 1487–1488 when he was only 12 or 13 years old. A copy of The Temptation of St Anthony, an engraving by Martin Schongauer, it shows Saint Anthony being assailed in the desert by demons, whose temptations he resisted. This was a common medieval subject, included in the Golden Legend and other sources, although this composition shows a later episode where St Anthony, normally flown about the desert supported by angels, was ambushed in mid-air by devils. The Torment of Saint Anthony is in the permanent collection of the Kimbell Art Museum in Fort Worth, Texas.Painting: Michelangelo