Talk:The Sign (song)

Aqua audio and comparison

Having these audio clips made no sense. There's no discussion of the similarities in the article. Is there some claim that one or the other has plagiarized the song? If so, it should be mentioned in the article and then the clips readded. Kleptosquirrel (talk) 19:51, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

• File:Goodmorningsunshinesample.ogg
• File:Thesignsample.ogg

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In popular culture

I removed the entire "In popular culture" section when I found, on review, that all the content was lacking worth. IP user 71.17.39.229 reverted my removal (without explanation), and per the "bold, revert, discuss cycle, I would like to discuss the disputed content. Whether or not you like it, the content of The Sign (song)#In popular culture is subject to all the same standards expected across Wikipedia. The applicable standards expected when adding or maintaining "trivia" in a song article, outlined by various policies and guidelines, have been summarised in WP:SONGTRIVIA; this guidance will act as a measure by which the content of this article's trivia section should be judged.

1. The song was featured in the sitcoms Full House and its sequel Fuller House... – has a reference that does not discuss the song's relevance or context at all; it is "merely listed or mentioned in passing", which is a SONGTRIVIA no-no.
2. The song also interrupted Eddie Huang's music, in the pilot of the ABC's sitcom Fresh Off the Boat. – has an inappropriate IMDB reference that again only mentions the song in passing.
3. The song was sung by fictional a cappella group the Barden Bellas in the movie Pitch Perfect. – is unreferenced.
4. In the American Dad! episode "Great Space Roaster", Roger can be heard singing the song... – is unreferenced and reads like original research.
5. In 2016, Uncle Ben's featured a cover version of the song in a nationwide television commercial. – uses an unofficial YouTube fan channel's video as a reference; the video itself may be a copyright infringement by the channel. There is no demonstration of contextual significance.
6. In Easter 2019, the song was a hidden Easter egg in the 21st episode of the web series Petscop... – has one YouTube reference, that appears to be either unofficial or a primary source, and another "youtubemultiplier.com" reference to a user generated mashup of two videos. The result is entirely original research.
7. In 2019, it was heard in a flashback to the childhood of the protagonist Georgina Clios in the TV series Riveria (Season 2, Episode 3). – is unreferenced and reads like another case of a total lack of contextual relevance.

None of these use cases come close to meeting the criteria for inclusion and should be immediately removed. Please argue you case(s) for keeping the content by referencing the list number above. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 14:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

WP:IPCV is pretty clear that 'in popular culture' items must be sourced to a reference that not only discusses their existence but also their significance. The unsourced items obviously fail on that note. IMDb isn't reliable, and the other sources you discuss above appear to similarly fail the necessary criteria. I'm inclined to say this was a good delete, though if the section wasn't previously tagged, it may have been nicer to do that first so that interested editors would have a change to come up with better citations. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 16:14, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to comment DonIago. I appreciate your suggestion of tagging the section first but felt that the content is uncontroversially disposable (apparently I was wrong); I've tagged it now, and linked to this discussion. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 20:26, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. I suspect what's going to happen is that nobody will make any effort to add/improve the sourcing, but at least now you'll be able to say the section was tagged to no effect. DonIago (talk) 02:09, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm more inclined to find references for unreferenced statements than simply kill-on-sight (I do it quite often), but I couldn't find a worthy scrap for any of these. If someone can demonstrate the value (in all regards) of any of these, then great, but I won't be holding my breath. I didn't remove them on a whim :D Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 03:27, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Clearly, the reverting IP is not prepared to offer an argument to support their edit, and Doniago supports the removal, so I am removing the trivial content again. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 15:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Good call. Thanks for bringing it to talk. TJRC (talk) 18:49, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

BRD FTW \o/ I'll be doing pretty much the same thing at Macho Man (song)#In popular culture soon if you wanna watch :D The culling of a wall of crud at Happy Together went well; so far nobody has freaked out. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 21:39, 16 August 2019 (UTC)