Talk:The People of the Abyss

Title includes the word "The"

Well, I'm 99.9% sure of it. Note

• The Cornell University Library catalog shows it with "The" as part of the title: [1]

• the original clothbound book cover includes the word "The"[2], and the title is presented that way throughout the http://london.sonoma.edu website, which is hosted by a university and edited by a Jack London scholar;

• the Library of America edition, which tries to be textually careful, calls it "The People of the Abyss"[3]

Dpbsmith (talk) 18:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I forgot to put the "The" in when I started the page, and I didn't know how to fix it--sorry!JDowning 01:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Phrase origin

Just a note to myself. H. G. Wells's 1902 book, Anticipations, refers through the book to the lowest levels of society as "the Abyss," and he refers to "the working classes—or, more properly speaking... the People of the Abyss..." Jack London does not mention H. G. Wells in his book. Will try to find out where the phrase came from. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Orwell as tramp

I query this statement in the entry: "in the 1930s he began disguising himself as a derelict and made tramping expeditions into poor section of London himself"

I think most of these expeditions were actually made in 1927, ie before his down-and-out period in Paris. These were then transposed in the book he published in 1933. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.14.255 (talk) 19:29, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Engels

Would someone please remove the libel about Engels. The great Bulk of his book is about Manchester, then England's leading manufacturing city. Everything Engels describes of it he saw with his own eyes so it is wrong to say he used second hand material. I seem to remember he was also shown around Sheffield by a friend. Alf Heben (talk) 15:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)