Talk:The Eras Tour/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

without China

It's trivial, but it might be added that her tour achieved being the highest-grossing musical tour without (no dates) visiting China🇨🇳, the world's second-largest economy and having the second largest population. 72.174.131.123 (talk) 03:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HorrorLover555 (talk) 07:54, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2024

Add tour dates: Melbourne, Australia - MCG (Melbourne Cricket Ground) - February 16-18 Danliamhalliday (talk) 06:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

 Already done The tour dates for those shows are already included in the tour dates section. HorrorLover555 (talk) 08:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Mention The Eras Tour Is Still Going!

You should say in the actual article that The Eras Tour is stiil going. It's an important peice of info and you don't mention it anywhere! It doesn't matter where you add it in, just add it in! And if--58.105.64.235 (talk) 12:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC) you need proof, Taylor literally JUST did a show at the MCG! If you could add that it would be AMAZING! Thankyou in advance. }} 58.105.64.235 (talk) 12:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

We know it’s still going thanks to the constant media attention. Flippedjack (talk) 12:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

This is stated in the sixth word of the article!! "ongoing"... — Peterpie123rww (talk) 12:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah but it's easy to forget. One word isn't much of a reminder when you're reading an article with THIS much info in it. You should add it again later in the article. Also you should mention that she's only like halfway through the tour so you can still get tickets. ButWeWereDancin (talk) 10:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

I thought the ticket is already 100% sold out? Lol what happened? ShakiraFandom (talk) 00:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

No, I'm pretty sure you can still get tickets. Also Taylor could release more. You never know. 58.105.64.235 (talk) 11:47, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Not really sure how this is relevant or important. All dates are listed, and it states that the tour is ongoing. — Peterpie123rww (talk) 17:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Tour Dates Table

Hi, I just realised that in the table saying tour dates and stuff like that, the last 2 columns are not filled out. I can't edit this page yet, so if someone could fill that in that would be amazing! SwiftieNow&4eva (talk) 11:10, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Hey there! Are you referring to the attendance and revenue? If so, there is something in regards to that already covered in the "Commercial performance" section, as it covered that Swift's team do not attend to release the boxscore numbers. HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Should Surprise Songs List Be A Table?

Would the surprise song subsection be better suited in a table format?

I fear that the surprise song section is increasingly unintelligible to readers (particularly those using narrow displays) as it expands and becomes more complex, particularly as Taylor performs more mashups at more shows. Having a fully punctuated bullet-pointed list arguably makes the section overly-complicated and the section would be easier to navigate as a whole if it were presented as a table, particularly given that the songs are already consistently listed in a "[Date] - [City]: [Guitar Song] and [Piano Song]" order. Additionally, switching this list to a table would make it more consistent with the rest of the article, as other information that is specific to dates (including the "Venue Records" and "Tour Dates" sections) are already illustrated in a table format.

Nicholas13t (talk) 20:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't see the point. I think it is good as is so far, although I am open to change if there are more in support of changing it to a list. HorrorLover555 (talk) 22:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

La Defense Arena is not a stadium

Why editors on this page trying so hard to gatekeeping the additional notes about La Defense Arena is an exception as a non-stadium shows on this tour?? Bias much? WP:NPOV Newpicarchive (talk) 18:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

This has been discussed already at this past discussion here. Per what Ronherry has said: The Eras Tour is described as an all-stadium tour because that is what ALL of the sources say per WP:STICKTOTHESOURCE, plus some countries use stadiums and arenas as terms interchangeably. Unless there is a source claiming that "The Eras Tour is not a stadium tour", against the many sources that say otherwise, the article lead's stability should not be disrupted. HorrorLover555 (talk) 22:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Attendance and revenue

Hey guys, so, I would like to ask/propose: shouldn't the "Attendance" and "Revenue" colums on "Tour dates" be removed?

It's mentioned right upper, on "Boxscore", that Taylor's team won't report individual revenue numbers, thus, it makes no sense to keep these columns. Perhaps the "Attendance" should be kept, as some US shows have individual numbers reported to local journals, but not the "Revenue".

Thanks, Music01 (talk) 02:55, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't see the point in having either if the boxscores aren't going to be released, so I won't object to having both Attendance and Revenue columns removed. HorrorLover555 (talk) 05:57, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Is it worthwhile adding in attendance data where they have been published? Rounded attendance figures for shows in Melbourne and Sydney have been made publicly available and therefore could be included. You seem to imply that similar figures exist for some US shows as well. Lala295 (talk) 22:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Wouldn't it be better if it was from either Billboard or Pollstar? HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Changing the setlist to better reflect the tour as a whole.

Currently the source and setlist used is from opening night in Glendale. However, since then "Long Live" has been added and "The 1" has replaced "Invisible String" for the majority of tour dates. Therefore, it seems to me that choosing another date (e.g. Kansas City night 1 - July 7th, 2023) and setlist that better represents the overall tour would be beneficial to the article for readers. So, due to the current setlist giving an outdated and inaccurate representation of the tour, it seems like choosing a new date/setlist and changing associated sources would be a good idea. JD22LU (talk) 00:40, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, first off, most concert tour articles use the opening act as a sample of the set list. Hence why there is a note beside it stating that it "does not represent all shows throughout the tour". Second, the source you were using (Setlist.fm) is user-generated content and is therefore not a reliable source per WP:NOTRSMUSIC; whereas the set list currently being used is sourced well by reliable, published sources such as Variety and USA Today. As much as I want to agree on the set list changing, I do not think it really needs to change. HorrorLover555 (talk) 05:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

To answer the comment about the sourcing, I would be able to find a more reliable source for the different date (I actually did have an additional source like you described in case setlist.fm did not qualify). I understand that there is a disclaimer, but it does not make any sense to use a setlist that does not give an overall representation of the tour. I picked Kansas City because that's when the current and most common setlist was first performed, but you could also pick Tokyo (start of the second leg). The Eras Tour is a special case in that the setlist has been permanently changed not even halfway through the tour dates, meaning that the chosen setlist of opening night does not apply to most shows. Meaning that "does not represent all shows" should more accurately read "does not represent most shows". I don't think it's important that we use the opening show anyway - I think it's much more important that the official setlist gives a more overall representation of the tour. JD22LU (talk) 07:02, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, there is a bit of a reason why we have sub-sections in the section such as "Alterations" which covers on the change in the set. Although, it would be good to get a third opinion. Pinging Ronherry. HorrorLover555 (talk) 07:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I think it's fair to add "The 1" and "Long Live" to the main Set list, citing this or this as reliable sources. What's better is that both sources compile the set list from various shows and not just the opening Glendale gig, and the second one also separates the songs by "era". Ippantekina (talk) 02:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. That I can agree with. HorrorLover555 (talk) 03:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2024

Under the Tour Dates section, five dates have footnotes using "labelled". The style guide on the talk page indicates that the page is written in American English, so I propose all of these be changed to "labeled". 71.84.240.18 (talk) 03:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done HorrorLover555 (talk) 05:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)