Talk:South African Party (disambiguation)

Proposed move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: both moved. Favonian (talk) 11:49, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

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• South African Party → South African Party (disambiguation)
• South African Party (Union of South Africa) → South African Party

– The Union-era party is the primary topic for this title. The vast majority of references to the SAP are to it (or to the United Party that replaced it); and it governed South Africa for its first fourteen years. The 1977-1980 party is a footnote to history. The Cape Colony party only governed for two years and could rightly be regarded as a part of the history of the Union-era party. The article South African Party (Union of South Africa) has 70 incoming article-space links, while the articles South African Party (Cape Colony) and South African Party (Republic of South Africa) have six each. Relisted. Favonian (talk) 20:59, 25 May 2012 (UTC) - htonl (talk) 19:47, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is most typed in South Africa, but not elsewhere, as the term is too obscure to type. I don't even know which South African Party belongs to. Nevertheless, this term is too ambiguous to determine which of all topics have a long-term significance. Possibly, they may be equally significant. --George Ho (talk) 05:26, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment: I don't really understand this objection. If the term is too obscure to use in other contexts, then surely it is the use in South Africa that must determine the primary topic? And the point of my move request is precisely that one of the topics has much greater significance than the other two and that, in fact, they are not equally significant. - htonl (talk) 10:28, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

• Support. The 1911 - 1934 party is by a very large margin the primary meaning. It's "legacy"continued in the "Sappe versus Natte" contests of the post 1934 United Party era. I'm not sure the 1977-80 party even rates a full footnote! Roger (talk) 07:50, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
• Support. South African Party (Union of South Africa) is definitely the primary topic --NJR_ZA (talk) 08:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
• Support. Looking at the page view stats for last months, the Union article had about 4 times the views of the other two articles combined, which meets the "usage" criterion in my book. I also trust the South African editors when they say that the Union-era party was more historically important, so I think it meets both the primary topic criteria. George's objection seems to be that it shouldn't be the primary topic because he's never heard of it, which is obviously not a valid argument. Jenks24 (talk) 07:59, 1 June 2012 (UTC)