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Removed the bit about smith and wesson's announcement that it will be the "first time" the company has entered the market for shotguns, as they unsuccessfully tried to do this back in the 70s with the 916 series shotguns. and the 1000 and 3000 series shotguns.
Well I added a section. Please improve it as I'm not that great of an editor.
Has anyone considered adding a section about the controversy sparked by the internal locks? I know a good deal of gun owners are unhappy about them.
Wikipedia text:
- The Sigma series of recoil operated, locked breech semi-auto pistols was introduced in 1994, with the Sigma 40, followed by the Sigma 9. Sigma pristols bore so much similarity to GLOCKs, that a lawsuit was raised against S&W by GLOCK. Smith & Wesson paid an undisclosed sum (some millions of dollars) to GLOCK for infringement of their patents, and then S&W received the rights to continue the production of Sigma line.
- The gun frame is manufactured from polymer, while the slide and barrel can be manufactured from either stainless steel or carbon steel. The Sigma series was improved in 1999, including shortening the barrel and slide, addition of an accessory rail under the barrel, incorporating more comfortable grip checkering and enlarging the ejection port.
Text from Modern Firearms:
- The Sigma series of pistols was introduced in 1994 by its first model, Sigma 40F in .40SW, following with 9x19mm version. Sigma pistols bear so much similirality to Glocks, that the lawsuit was rised against the S&W, so Smith & Wesson finally paid undisclosed sum (some millions of $$$) to Glock for violation of their patents, and then S&W received the rights to continue the production of Sigma line.
- ...Gun frame is made from polymer, the slide and the barrel can be manufactured from the stainless steel or from the carbon steel (in so called "Value" models).
- In 1999 S&W improved the Sigma series. Main change was shortening the barrel and the slide by .5 inch (12.7 mm). Other improvements included more comfortable grip checkering, slightly enlarged ejection port and addition of the acessory rail at the front of the frame (under the barrel).
The text is quite similar despite being cleaned up a bit; is this a copyright issue?Kurivaim 5 July 2005 13:43 (UTC)
No, he was just keeping alive the spirit of the S&W Sigma.
Oh, come on. Nobody has put "Smith & Wesson : the original point & click interface" on this page? Geez (Seriously, I don't know if it's appropriate, but it's funny :) Sword 05:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
This article needs cleaning up
The "Problems in Marketplace" section is unencyclopedic and more related to current events. The "Agreement of 2000" needs to be relocated and whittled down. Izaakb 02:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I suggest that the "History of S&W" actually be a timeline of the company rather than some smattering of un-chronological info. What about Oliver Winchester? What happened to Bangor-Punta? I'll do some research and post it. Also, the intro paragraph should be meatier, IMHO.. Izaakb 03:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
How about:
# 1 History of Smith & Wesson * 1.1 Beginning * 1.2 Horace and Dan's invention * 1.3 Sale to Winchester * 1.4 War Production years (Spanish American thru WW2 * 1.5 Sale to Bangor Punta * 1.6 Sale to Tomkins PLC * 1.7 Back in American Hands (Saf T Lock)
ETC.. I will refine later....
Izaakb 03:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. This article is very unorganized.67.142.130.38 21:20, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- I agree too, and let me go further. I think that this article would be vastly improved if the cumbersome lists of handgun models were moved elsewhere. This article should be about the history of the company. I suggest creating a separate article about each major subcategory of handgun (i.e. "Smith & Wesson Top-Break", "Smith & Wesson J-frame", "Smith & Wesson Metal Frame Semi-Automatic", etc.) and putting the lists of models there. Right now, the lists aren't even close to being comprehensive, and they're already too long. If every single S&W handgun model were added, the lists would overwhelm the historical content of the article. If everyone thinks this is a good idea, I'll get started on the project. Carguychris (talk) 14:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
No arguments here. It should be a monumental and tedious--Mcumpston (talk) 15:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC) project
A very self-congratulatory article
I'm surprised as a gun lover that an article on S&W doesn't have half it being criticism. Some major cleanup issues:
-Listing out all the products is ridiculous. That reads like an advertisement. -In fact, the entire article reads like an ad for S&W. -There should be a criticism section in this article, S&W has made so many terrible firearms, so many mistakes both in production and in corporate handling.
The Lock Issue
On August 27, 2007, Michael Bane, author, producer and media representative for the shooting industry, published this blog about his personal experience with spontaneous engagement of the Safe-T-Hammer internal locking device: http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2007/08/s-revolver-safety-failure.html These events have occured since the present owners of the company incorporated the lock in the revolvers. They were dismissed as "urban legend" at first but S&W revolver purchasers encounter them frequently. At this time, only Bane and Massad Ayoob, among the established industry writers have published confirmations that there is a problem with the locks.--Mcumpston (talk) 19:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Breathalyzer
Apparently, Smith & Wesson manufactured the Breathalyzer. It's right up there in the Breathalyzer article, but unsourced. If anybody can confirm it, we probably ought to add it to the S&W article as well. — NRen2k5(TALK), 11:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
- See State of the Art Breathalyzers: A History. I added it to the Breathalyzer article - there are other sources available as well. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 22:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
K frame variants needing coverage
I've taken it upon myself to begin improving Wikipedia's coverage of the S&W K frame series, to include a K frame master article and features table. (Check back soon!) However, before I start adding Wikipedia articles about missing K frame variants, I would like to hear opinions regarding whether the following M&P revolver variants deserve their own articles or should be included in the article for the Smith & Wesson Model 10.
- .32-20 Hand Ejector
- .38 Military & Police Target (special-order adjustable rear sight M&P offered prior to introduction of postwar K-38 series)
- .32 Military & Police (special-order .32 S&W Long version of basic M&P, sold poorly)
- Model 11 .38/200 M&P (postwar special-order continuation of .38/200 Victory in .38 S&W, sold poorly)
- Model 45 .22 Military & Police "Post Office Model" (special-order .22 Long Rifle version of basic M&P)
Out of all of these revolvers, I think that the .32-20HE may warrant its own article because it was catalogued as a seperate model, its production run extended for several decades, and well over 10,000 were produced. However, the others seem to be great candidates for inclusion here. Thoughts? Opinions?Carguychris (talk) 16:40, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
- How about the Model 547 in 9mm? There's just over 10,000 of these around, produced around 1980s. Quite an interesting revolver since it did not require moon clips to chamber rimless 9x19mm cartridges. IMHO the Model 547 can be a candidate to your list...175.141.107.75 (talk) 05:03, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
CEO
James Debney replaced Michael Golden as CEO some time ago. I can't place a date on it but Golden is gone. That needs to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.202.140.140 (talk) 04:01, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Missing info in "Ammunition types introduced ..."
The .44 Russian, also known as the .44 S&W Russian, is a blackpowder center fire metallic revolver cartridge developed by Smith & Wesson in 1870. The .44 Russian design marked the first use of an internally lubricated bullet in modern firearm ammunition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 (talk) 17:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Misleading section on the Agreement of 2000
The assertion that the NRA boycott was a significant factor in the drop of S&W sales is misleading. See further and sourced discussion at http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1ndx8n/til_that_smith_and_wesson_agreed_to_work_with_the/cchxb4d . Recommend re-writing the section to include a better and less biased explanation of the drop in sales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.164.110 (talk) 13:43, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
WP:CITEVAR and references
Despite the general policy, I thought the references were an infernal mess. I have boldly changed the formatting and citation style, and added a lot of links. I sincerely hope you will see the utility of the changes. I think it is much improved. I hope I did not step on anyone's toes. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:40, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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History?
Apparently nothing happened regarding Smith & Wesson between the end of the Civil War and the year 2000? 71.80.204.169 (talk) 15:29, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Lots of things happened. Start typing. ;-) Mike Helms (talk) 14:13, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
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User: NeilN, I noticed in this edit that some seemingly credible and well sourced data was removed. Why? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:57, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Accepting that the editor was a WP:Sockpuppet, this still might belong here. Even a sock can be right. Like a stopped clock? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:11, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Article of the S&W No 2 tip-up missing
An article of the Smith & Wesson Model 2 .32 Rimfire tip-up Revolver on which the barrel pivoted upwards is missing. It was the most important S&W “back-up” revolver used in the Civil War. Total production 77,155 manufactured 1861-1874.
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Which civil war? Dimadick (talk) 20:05, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
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Internal Lock-related source was a hoax
The part about the Internal Lock mentioned that S&W announced that the Internal Lock was to be phased out and cited an article by American Handgunner but said article DOES NOT EXIST, it was a hoax, and S&W NEVER announced said move; you can find more info on this article. I removed that part from the article (1/5/2018).
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I am informed that the following doesn't belong in the article.
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A Smith & Wesson manufactured rifle was used by the perpetrator of the February 2018 school shooting in Parkland, FL.[1]
They built it. As far as we all know, it was manufactured, sold and acquired legally under the laws presently in effect. To be sure, they were not directly complicit in the shooting, beyond making the gun, and nobody has said otherwise. They have a connnectin for sure, for better or worse.
Why Not include it? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:54, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
straw poll
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